His current attributes remind me a bit of Tevez in his last season for us (minus the whole "being a cnut" thing). I think Danny will find his goal scoring boots for us soon - he has shown he can do it. Rooney goes through patches where he misses more and easier chances than the ones Welbeck missed yesterday.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I don't agree that he's far ahead in that departement at all. As I keep saying, it's not like Welbeck got three or so assits yesterday. In fact, I think that Hernandez only has one less assist over-all.
Welbeck is the better player outside of the box, I agree, but the gap isn't as big as some people think. Hernandez looks like a different player outside the box this season.
True, but it's still quite considerable IMO. And that's not really a slight on Hernandez, just deserved praise for Welbecks attributes.
Spot on.
Yeah, deserved praise indeed. The shifts he's been putting in these last few weeks, have been brilliant.
Im glad to see him playing in a forward position instead of shunted out on the wing. Its hindering his development to give him time in the wrong position over and over. At least if we want him to become a forward-
How can you "think" he may score again soon? Of course, it makes it hard for him because he doesn't play regularly enough to rack up a sequence of goals, but he (at the moment) doesn't have a history of scoring in "spurts", unlike Rooney.
That said, Welbeck doesn't convince that a goal is just around the corner. I guess that's half the problem, he likes to get involved in play and intricate interchanges of passing, so perhaps he will never score that many. I don't mind that, as long as he assists more regularly.
He runs his heart out but he'll never be first choice with RVP and Rooney present (and Lewandowski coming in the summer?).
You can't watch everything through statistics. For example, Evra has 4 assists this season and most of them were from crosses, while Baines who is on another level to Evra comparing just their crossing and end product has only two assists this season, and he takes all setpieces for Everton too.
If you don't see how much Welbeck's allround play is better than Hernandez's, sorry, but there is no point for me to make you think it is.
Well seeing as you see his overall game as being on the same level as Fabregas, yes, there is no point.
Fabregas was midfielder, I don't see point in comparing these two in discussion about allround play. Welbeck by allround play is probably one of the best forwards in the league.
Danny is fantastic until it comes to finishing, hopefully that'll improve as he progresses, it is mediocre at the moment though.
I hope that Welbeck gets another chance as a striker against West Ham just to get a bit of a run going. He probably won't but I think starting another game up top would give him some more confidence in his finishing.
fecking hell, not many players can do this, too bad he run out of strenght at the end, at least he should have tried to shot, he didn't had any other option.
I don't think he was expecting the return ball. I'd have liked to have seen RvP hold it up and buy him some time inside for another pass.
He had a good game I thought - let down by the finishing but he was very strong and put himself about. I am not going to go back through the thread as I can understand if people were frustrated by his lack of end product through the match. I've had enough of people getting on his case.
He had a good game I thought - let down by the finishing but he was very strong and put himself about. I am not going to go back through the thread as I can understand if people were frustrated by his lack of end product through the match. I've had enough of people getting on his case.
He's got so many tools, he just hasn't quite figured out how to combine them yet. Once he does, and he will, he'll be a terrific striker.
Great play, just unlucky to lose the ball under his feet at the end there.
I hope people seeing that can appreciate the value of his experience playing mostly as a winger this season. Sure he might not be as sharp in front of goal for the season, but his all around game is coming on great.
I hope people seeing that can appreciate the value of his experience playing mostly as a winger this season. Sure he might not be as sharp in front of goal for the season, but his all around game is coming on great.
Gif basically sums up welbeck at the moment. Great movement and ability and then he reaches the box and it just doesn't work anymore.
fecking hell, not many players can do this, too bad he run out of strenght at the end, at least he should have tried to shot, he didn't had any other option.
To be fair RVP gives him the ball back when he has no options in front of him or around him. The only thing he could possibly do was shoot and even then he was ridiculously wide. Moving at the pace he was stopping and turning to hold the ball up was always going to be difficult. Of course he could've done better but it certainly wasn't a simply case of his playing falling apart in the box.
Now the time when he dummied his way into the box for the shot that he lashed over the bar, pretty much sums up his lack of composure in front of goal.
I know that, its one of those situation where I just had to laugh at him when it happened.
Yeah, you just had to smile at it didn't you
RVP maybe gave it a little bit earlier but Welbeck could have held the ball or ffs Shotting from an impposible angle was better than just falling over and giving a goal kick for no reason whatsoever .
Thats his problem, he can't finish it off. Does everything brilliantly before end result is needed.And not even like how people describe Nani where he takes the wrong option. He just doesn't take an option and just loses it.
Once he sorts that out will be fantastic. Only and huge flaw in his game.
Thats why I have been calling him Danny "Almost" Welbeck. Cause he almost does things.
Thats his problem, he can't finish it off. Does everything brilliantly before end result is needed.And not even like how people describe Nani where he takes the wrong option. He just doesn't take an option and just loses it.
Once he sorts that out will be fantastic. Only and huge flaw in his game.
Thats why I have been calling him Danny "Almost" Welbeck. Cause he almost does things.
Depends what you mean by all round play. He's good in the buildup but doesn't actually set up many goals. Rooney and RVP get a lot more assists.
Can't agree with that. That pass put Welbeck into space. RVP probably didn't expect him to run most of the pitch whilst being challenged by two players only to lose the ball when being challenged by no one. Regardless, it was a great piece of defensive forward play by Welbeck, it relieved the pressure for the team.
Rooney had 4 assists last season.
Sunday, and Danny Welbeck in general to be honest, highlights the very beauty of this whole 4-strikers thing. Each of ours have different strengths, and on Sunday, we selected from our arsenal the tools that we felt would best help us win the game. Welbeck is a specialist presser from the front. He has little or no end product sadly, but there was still enough end product around him for us to win, as long as he did his job.
I'd imagien he'd eventually hope to offer more than that though, and the final pass/shot is what he clearly needs to develop before that can happen.
I'd imagien he'd eventually hope to offer more than that though, and the final pass/shot is what he clearly needs to develop before that can happen.
You're a fecking genius, mate.RVP maybe gave it a little bit earlier but Welbeck could have held the ball or ffs Shotting from an impposible angle was better than just falling over and giving a goal kick for no reason whatsoever .
Thats his problem, he can't finish it off. Does everything brilliantly before end result is needed.And not even like how people describe Nani where he takes the wrong option. He just doesn't take an option and just loses it.
Once he sorts that out will be fantastic. Only and huge flaw in his game.
Thats why I have been calling him Danny "Almost" Welbeck. Cause he almost does things.
Thats a bit too much praise tbh.
Thank you!
Thank you!
His lack of physical coordination at key moments is a massive frustration.
IMO What he lacks is composure.
I think Welbeck is one of those players capable of magic, he just lacks that extra composure which will probably come with age and experience.
I think Welbeck is one of those players capable of magic, he just lacks that extra composure which will probably come with age and experience.
Welbeck lack of end product is as hugh as Bebe inability to cross. Sometimes players could never sort that out, its just like asking Heskey to run and shoot like Owen.Once he sorts that out will be fantastic. Only and huge flaw in his game.
Thats why I have been calling him Danny "Almost" Welbeck. Cause he almost does things.
I hardly think that trip is indicative of anything special. He didn't 'have no end product', he just fell over.
It's like saying that Terry's a terrible penalty taker because of his Moscow feck-up. He might be, but falling over while taking one specific pen hardly has anything to do with that.
EDIT: That said, I think the argument that it's fine to use Welbeck on the wing at the moment is accruing more and more evidence. We have lots of brilliant strikers and forwards, but our wingers are out of form or returning from injury. Welbeck's general play is looking better than ever, but his finishing is just not working at the moment. So putting him on the wing - not in our absolute best line-up, but as an option - seems the obvious solution. That run is as good as anything any of our wingers have produced this season.
It's like saying that Terry's a terrible penalty taker because of his Moscow feck-up. He might be, but falling over while taking one specific pen hardly has anything to do with that.
EDIT: That said, I think the argument that it's fine to use Welbeck on the wing at the moment is accruing more and more evidence. We have lots of brilliant strikers and forwards, but our wingers are out of form or returning from injury. Welbeck's general play is looking better than ever, but his finishing is just not working at the moment. So putting him on the wing - not in our absolute best line-up, but as an option - seems the obvious solution. That run is as good as anything any of our wingers have produced this season.
Bebe had other flaws than his inability to cross to be fair. Given that Welbeck is doing a lot of the difficult things well at the moment and his age is relatively young, it's not unfair to wait for a young player to develop.
It's pretty obvious to me that Welbeck is one stage of key development away from being a really top player.
Quick, loan him to Reading!!
Now, don't start!His workrate and ability to be everywhere is better than Tevez', Rooney's and Kuyt's.
His harrassing actually wins the ball and creates turnovers. He has this crazy ability to sneak up from behind and win the ball cleanly. He is fast and strong.
We all know he can score, it will come. Patience everyone. patience.
His harrassing actually wins the ball and creates turnovers. He has this crazy ability to sneak up from behind and win the ball cleanly. He is fast and strong.
We all know he can score, it will come. Patience everyone. patience.
His work rate also causes him to be knackered shortly into the game which prevents him from being able to accelerate away from defenders.
That gif is in the 80th minute...
There was one at the end of the first half as well. All credit to him for working hard but he's going to have to learn to work smarter. Rooney's become a far more effective striker since he stopped running himself into the ground chasing lost causes.
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