I think we probably did. I mean, I doubt we ask security to escort him off the premises but it certainly looks as though he was told he didn't have a future at United and to look for another club to play for.
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Then we must have told him that in the summer, when the rumours of him wanting out first appeared. Personally I think there's a difference between saying "you haven't got a future" and saying "you're not going to be first choice for a few years"..Which is more likely what we said, and Danny decided he wanted to be. Both positions being completely reasonable.
Though of course we may never know exactly, so it's guess work.
Pretty much. As the big Falcao joke yesterday went, Man Utd have replaced RVP before Arsenal have. He's not here to take Welbeck's sporadic starting spot.
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I have to say I think you're being a little hysterical considering van Gaal's track record in promoting youth is better than Sir Alex's, particularly in recent years.
Dont do it. It's the quintessential "I'm an old man now" cliche. You've already done one on getting more right wing FFS!
People have every right to be upset with this move. Welbeck was popular, talented, a United fan through and through, a youth product, and has just been sold to our direct rivals for a sum most people consider massively under-valuing him.
But please, continue to act like a knobend and talk down to people as if you speak from a position of authority, when in actuality no one knows who the hell you areIt's highly entertaining; it's taking the sting off selling Welbeck somewhat.
This.
This. If he was asking to leave, it's obviously because he'd been notified or could see he was most likely not in LVG's plans. People trying to demonize him by saying he asked to leave as if the club tried to make him stay, but he refused. Daft.
At Bayern he did make some bold decisions like playing Muller ahead of Klose and Toni. Muller who Bayern were prepared to let go for €3m.
Um, Wayne "Loads of Money" Rooney also asked to leave twice and he is still at the club.
Van Gaal's Champions League winning Ajax side had an average age of 23, with 6 of the starting 11 coming from their academy. What are you talking about?
I did think Welbeck would excel under LvG who has a knack of developing certain types of player or changing their mentality/position in the team. I wonder if Danny sees himself as a CF or a wide forward type? I certainly don't think he has the credentials to be a number 9 due to his finishing, but he does have the raw ability to beat a man and cause havoc from out wide. A lot like the Henry predicament Wenger once had on a much smaller scale. I wonder what he decides to do with him.
I think it is good business for Arsenal but currently he is not the type of player they need. They need a natural number 9, a Falcao.
I think it is good business for Arsenal but currently he is not the type of player they need. They need a natural number 9, a Falcao.
Cheer up lads, we are not aiming for 4th as arsenal does
Few are trying to demonize him, but a lot are trying to counteract the hysteria aimed at the club for selling him. As if we wanted him gone, which is a reaction born of wanting to be angry at someone for a favorite player leaving. He could've stayed, and would've played a decent amount of games, but it's perfectly reasonable for him to want to push on.
Obviously, very early days but people would feel a lot less concerned if there was any evidence of this at United. All of we've seen is injury-enforced promotion of youngsters in defence (who immediately looked woefully out of depth) Even David cocking MOyes seemed more willing to give Januzaj minutes than Van Gaal has thus far.
Cheer up lads, we are not aiming for 4th as arsenal does
When it all clicks people will witness how good this United team is.
I won't miss him. Tired of seeing a player with his physical attributes never use them. Obviously wasn't doing what Van Gaal wanted him to do and so he got the chop. Off you trot, Danny.
The Champions League winning team in 1995? Yeah, relevant. Van Gaal, to me, seems like a blatant short-term fix which will cause long-term problems in a couple of years time. I'll happily be proved wrong but at the moment I don't see the changes he is making as positive long-term changes.
We've only played three league games in a system which Januzaj is hardly used to. Hopefully when we settle a bit he'll give him more time, frankly he's certainly a far better option than Valencia on the right though we're probably using Valencia for defensive cover as our defence isn't particularly competent at the minute.
I think van Gaal is waiting until the side gels and gets used to the system before he introduces youngsters. He might also think that few of them have the potential to become United first team players in the future as well. Hell knows.
There's brilliant indie music being made these days. And it's not all like this last bit you write. You just have to look harder beneath the drivel.
I used to love the old stuff earlier and thought nothing today to compete, but actually a lot of the music being made right now is on a different level to what the Beatles, for example, did IMO.
Yeah, it's a shame he's shown us no evidence of his long term youth policy in the 3 games he's managed. Apart from all the youth he's played, but they were injury enforced. Well, apart from MK Dons, where he went full youth, but we lost, so.....Sorry, what's your point?
I think the state he left both Bayern and Barcelona in speak volumes.
What do you base this on? Exactly the opposite of that happened at both Barcelona and Bayern Munich. They had issues while van Gaal was there but after a while they reaped rewards from his work, Bayern Treble winning side was built on players that van Gaal nurtured and he brought up certain Iniesta and Xavi at Barcelona before they sacked him.
I don't know whether you're serious or ironic, either way as I've said Barcelona and Bayern actually benefited fully from van Gaal in the long term and not short term.
Not getting into a statistical debate about goalscoring, blah blah
I only need my eyes to tell me that 99% of the time we looked a much better team with him in it. We do not have genuine pace up front and he offered that. That opened up space for others.
Its a shame that some cant wish the lad good luck, (he is still a United man through and through), rather than just taking the last opportunity to continue slagging him off. Who they gonna pick on next?
I only need my eyes to tell me that 99% of the time we looked a much better team with him in it. We do not have genuine pace up front and he offered that. That opened up space for others.
Its a shame that some cant wish the lad good luck, (he is still a United man through and through), rather than just taking the last opportunity to continue slagging him off. Who they gonna pick on next?
You do realise we'd be lost in the wilderness for a very long time if this squad was left the way it was last season? If you look at Van Gaal's signings, none of them are overly short term. Shaw, Herrera, Rojo, Blind and Di Maria are hardly old men and Falcao is the sort of player who can come in and make a massive difference that might propel us back into the champions league. Even if it's only for one season.
I try to feel saddened, but then remember Falcao will score more goals than Welbeck this season.
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See, this is what I mean by losing our minds. So far LVG has shown nothing but a fanatical devotion to youth. Promoting several youngsters in our pre season and opening league games and needlessly playing an entire team of youngsters in the COC despite having no European distractions.
But apparently now we've sold Welbeck, that all counts for nothing. WE'RE DOOOOOOMED
I'm pissed off , I've completely forgotten about Di Maria and Falcao
My point is obvious. Although, as I said, it's still very early days.
I don't, Barcelona were no where when he was manager and the spine of Bayern was already there, and the same goes for Barca's infrastructure really.
No I accept that it had to be doen, that's not my isue. My issue is our team will be adapted to a manager's will who I don't think has any intention of staying around long enough for it to be beneficial in the long term.
I'm being serious. Louis van Gaal left both clubs having brought through their best youth players, gave them an identity and look how they went on to dominate domestically and in Europe. Yes I get that people will say "but Pep, Jupp" did the work etc which yes they did but LVG got the ball rolling.
It really isn't mate
We've never made these long term investments in terms of strikers. We've always just spunked tons of money on the best player's available from Cole to Yorke to Rooney to RVN to RVP to Falcao.
The last academy forward player to make it was Mark Hughes a few decades ago. Simply because we don't have the time for players like Welbeck or Rossi to develop in that position and cost us titles whilst they are developing. Leave the developing of strikers to smaller clubs, as we have for the last 30 years.
In terms of long term signings Herrera, Shaw, Rojo and Blind all fit the bill.
Giggs is being groomed into LVG's man. Whether that works out or not, we'll see.
You have no idea what you're talking about, frankly there's no point in this debate if that's your line. Alaba was promoted by van Gaal from their youth academy, Muller was on the brink of being sold to Hoffenheim before he gave him a chance, Schweinsteiger was a poor winger and van Gaal taught him to play in midfield and he also gave Badstuber a chance. The spine of Bayern victorious side of 2013 was built on players van Gaal promoted or developed.
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Y'know what, I'm actually happy for Danny. Hope he does well in Arsenal colours (although not enough to put us at any disadvantage).
He's an honest, hardworking player. A rarity in the game thesedays.
Fabregas was our no 1 target last season and became Chelsea's no 1 target this season. I havent followed the Ozil saga enough to discuss it but I can assure you that Sanchez was followed by both AC Milan and Juventus.
All those players were on crazy money an obstacle Welbeck never had. Welbeck is younger (ie represent a better investment) and qualifies as homegrown talent which is a big plus for the big EPL clubs. Arsene Wenger was the only one wanting him and we sold him for 15m, which is around 3m more then what Southampton paid for the magnificent Shane Long and 4 more less to how much Liverpool paid for Lazar Markovic. To be fair Liverpool spent around the same sum for Balotelli. There again everyone knows that the guy comes with plenty of baggage something that Welbeck doesn't have. Please note that we wanted Welbeck to go on loan same as Chicharito did. However the former refused such deal as he pushed for a permanent deal.
As I said in that very post you quoted, I believe that Welbeck is a good footballer. However his finishing is appalling which, considering he's a striker, is a very big problem. Whether we like it or not striker's main aim is to score goals. Its like having a goalkeeper whose shit as a shot stopper or a defender who can't defend. I also believe that Welbeck is ridiculously overrated here. Some of the comments here makes you think that we lost Paul Scholes in his prime rather then our 3rd/4th choice striker
more prolific then Henry? Seriously?
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