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Danny Welbeck to Sunderland (Loan Watch)
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well exactly.
Do we really have a better 4th striker option than Welbeck currently?
Bruce may want him. Does not mean Sir Alex is going to let him go.
yeah but there is also a context to it. in the present scenario, it doesn't make sense.
Every season injuries are inevitable. In big matches this season we've depended on Fletcher and the twins on the wings, on O'Shea in the midfield, and on a 20 year old in central defense.
The difference between a Macheda or an Obertan sitting in the reserves and not getting opportunities to play and a Smalling or a Fabio getting playing time is whether or not they can be relied upon to do a job when called upon.
Last season Welbeck fell in the former category of a player still too inconsistent to be relied upon. Having watched his performances for Sunderland I have no doubt that were we to lose one or two strikers to injury in the middle of next season, Danny would be able to step in and get goals when called upon. Furthermore he can provide much needed cover on the wings should another injury crisis hit there again next season.
He's now a player you could have on your bench who would provide fresh options as a substitute. IMO we're sorted up top for next season with Rooney, Berbatov, Hernandez and Welbeck.
The difference between a Macheda or an Obertan sitting in the reserves and not getting opportunities to play and a Smalling or a Fabio getting playing time is whether or not they can be relied upon to do a job when called upon.
Last season Welbeck fell in the former category of a player still too inconsistent to be relied upon. Having watched his performances for Sunderland I have no doubt that were we to lose one or two strikers to injury in the middle of next season, Danny would be able to step in and get goals when called upon. Furthermore he can provide much needed cover on the wings should another injury crisis hit there again next season.
He's now a player you could have on your bench who would provide fresh options as a substitute. IMO we're sorted up top for next season with Rooney, Berbatov, Hernandez and Welbeck.
I am surprised tbh that he has never clearly said he wants a future at Unitd only.
I thought he was a Manc and a fan too.
I thought he was a Manc and a fan too.
He's also a footballer. It's a good sign that he values being a first teamer and a starter rather than being content with a minor role at a big club, though I'm sure his main ambition is to make it at United.
No, but is that what's best for his development? Look at the difference between him as a player now, and when he was making sub' appearances for us last season - or even when he played his first few games for Sunderland. Regular first team football has made a massive difference to his development, and he won't get regular first team football if he's sat as our 4th choice striker next season.
Personally, as I've said before, I'd prefer to see him spend next season on loan at Sunderland again. Bring Kiko back, he'll do for 4th choice (assuming we sell Owen and Diouf in the summer)
My guess is that, "you've got a future here at Utd as long as you keep on working and improving".
Hits the nail on the head.
The question is whether he realistically thinks he's likely to progress at United and get regular games.
H may have the ability to put in some decent performances for United, in fact, given how he's player for Sunderland its fair to say he does - but its all got to be put in context.
The question is whether he's got enough at the moment to be astarter ahead of Berbatov, Rooney and Hernandez. He may back himself and fair play but its not unrealistic to suggest he'll start few games next season. Could be even worse for him if United pick up a top attaking midfield player and go back to playing one up top.
I've said it before but I think that if a good offer comes in United may be tempted to sell and invest the money elsewhere. He's played well for Sunderland and his stock is high - if he comes back and sits on the bench for 18 months that won't be the case.
100%. I bet Fergie can't wait to see him doing for United what he's been doing for Sunderland.
He can play out wide, so doesn't need to start instead of any of them.
He's only just turned 20 and is a local lad, brought up as a United fan. I seriously doubt Welbeck be in any great hurry to force a move and we already know how patient Fergie can be when it comes to bringing young talent through into the first-team.
Plenty of players can play iin a variety of positions - doesn't mean they'll get picked. I still don't think that as a winger he'll play as regularly as he plays at Sunderland. Regardless, thats a matter for him and as I said - fair play to him if he wants to battle for a place - its to be commended.
I hope he stays and does well, always good to see young players coming through but I was just being pragmatic. He may be in no rush to leave but if a bid of say, £10 million comes in and is accepted - he might deem that confirmation that he's not in the regular first team plans and its time to move on.
Fergie has been patient in the past but he's perhaps not now in the position he was, being able to spend without balancing the books. He also needs to address at least two positions for the first time in a long time - so its not unreasonable to suggest that if he spends big, the board may want to recoup some money on a player who United have done without for this season, especially when we're well stocked in that department already.
To be fair its all guess work and depends on what happends regarding reinforcements over the summer I suspect.
Any news on his injury?
Doesn't get the credit he's due for his intelligence.
Doesn't get the credit he's due for his intelligence.
played very well again. stopped getting the ball when Sunderland lost their heads.
He's injured again?
His link up play today with Gyan was fantastic, another season there could do him the world of good.
Hope the injury isn't serious, Sunderland really need him
Hope the injury isn't serious, Sunderland really need him
Did he get kicked? Or twist something?
It wasn't his knee again, was it?
It wasn't his knee again, was it?
On a positive note it was good to see a few players coming back who will benefit from playing for an hour..
I didn't watch the game, but it doesn't sound like he went off due to injury.
I didn't watch the game, but it doesn't sound like he went off due to injury.
He did look uncomfortable when he went off, but that could easily just have been disappointment with being subbed.
I'm pretty certain it was an injury because when Welbeck was taken off Phil Bardsley wasn't too happy as he'd picked up a knock and he made Bruce aware of this to which Bruce replied "Danny's fecked too!"
he plays with average players there.
he will be a lot more effective with the service he will get here.
playing alongside Rooney or Berbatov will be hugely beneficial for him.
he will be a lot more effective with the service he will get here.
playing alongside Rooney or Berbatov will be hugely beneficial for him.
Sounds like they had two injuries. If Danny wasn't injured, who were the other two?
Muntari and Richardson I think.
Ok, good. Maybe "fecked" as in knackered? Hasn't played much football recently.
No, it was his first start since January. And he came off right on the hour mark. Prolly knackered.
Muntari is one, but the commentators were claiming that Richardson was tactical, forced by the Muntari injury. Didn't really follow what they were on about, myself.
Richardson went off with what looked like a hammy. Malbranque had to be rush through his warm up.. It certainly wasnt tactical.
Thought he did well, kept the ball well, gave a way a few silly passes but that happens when the team is looking for creativity which Sunderland didn't have at all.
Again, Henderson also failed to impress me...
I thought Gyan was pretty good, but he got zero service.
Again, Henderson also failed to impress me...
I thought Gyan was pretty good, but he got zero service.
Confirmed here - all three subs were for injuries.
Welbeck's injury being...
...fatigue.
Turns out Bardsley and mini-Rio were also injured. Now I understand how the scousers were able to win.
Welbeck's injury being...
...fatigue.
Turns out Bardsley and mini-Rio were also injured. Now I understand how the scousers were able to win.
Scored for England U21s. I'd like to see him given a chance to be in the England squad at some point though, just to get a feel for it. Though I doubt Capello cares about England's long term future beyond his payday.
Cracking goal too.
I think Welbeck's in the right place at the moment in the u21's. Can only be a matter of time till he gets called up to the main squad and experiences like tonight will stand him in good stead.
Incidentally, I disagree with the casual dismissal you made of Capello there - whatever else he's had thrown at him on here the last week or so I'd say the one thing he's got right is knowing which players to promote and which to allow to get experience in the u21's - was great seeing players like Cleverley, Smalling, Sturridge, Welbeck and Henderson getting playing time tonight.
Or, as PS would put it, another fluke.
Scholesly would probably say it didn't impress him much because he was a little off balance just before the strike.
He's impressed at every level and shown pretty much every area of his repertoire while doing so, it's quite exciting.
Be great if someone could post a vid of the goals.Apparently his goal was left foot finish.
Cheers mate nice one
Quality goal. Welbeck has all the potential.
Left foot as well which is a bonus...if he's developing into an allround forward then we have a real star in the making here.
Apparently had a goal wrongly ruled out for off side
He's ready to be a first teamer here imo. Problem is its very hard to give 4 strikers alot of games without effecting their confidence. Espically when 1 of them (Rooney) wouldn't like to be benched.
I know what my head is saying, and its that we have 3 young exceptional strikers on our books. I wonder what would happen if we get a decent offer for Berbatov?
Mmm.
I know what my head is saying, and its that we have 3 young exceptional strikers on our books. I wonder what would happen if we get a decent offer for Berbatov?
Mmm.