SirMattlives
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In the absence of the club clearing their decisions and explaining everything to the Caf, let’s just assume the worst. Got it.
No. You responded to a post where I explained how he would be very useful to Ralf as a conduit to winning over the players - what with him actually being a winner undoubtedly respected in the dressing room - which is part of his actual role. You then told me being a good player has no bearing on being a good manager or coach. His current role isn’t being a manager or coach - so what the feck that or Maradona has to do with anything is a bit of a mystery.I never said or implied he needed to be sacked. No need to make stuff up and lie. You said that Fletcher “won lots of shit as a player” and I just told you why it holds no bearing on his current role.
Our very own manager, Michael Emenalo formerly of Chelsea and many more on the continent.I'm not targeting anyone, but how many clubs have a Technical Director acting as an assistant manager? What has Fletcher achieved as a coach? He's only coached the under 16's.
Didn't we just sign that Ewan Sharp guy to be the assistant manager?
It just seems like muddled thinking all round. Not good.
To you.... SorryEveryone is confused about his role. Never knew technical directors are involved in coaching. Does he be on the training ground? If not what the feck is he doing shouting instructions on the sideline?
If he is a coach why was he given the technical title that suggested he would be more involved in planning and transfers and the like?
Nothing about it makes sense.
No because other clubs fans aren’t obsessed with being negative and required to know minor role coaches to bitch about.Do fans of other clubs obsess over backroom staff the way United fans do?
Genuine question it's bizarre I doubt any of my friends who support other teams could tell me or would even care who the coaches are or technical directors or kit man etc etc
No, I just explained to you that I was responding to the part of your post about him winning “lots of shit as a player”. Which means absolutely nothing.No. You responded to a post where I explained how he would be very useful to Ralf as a conduit to winning over the players
But he’s been standing right next to the actual manager on the touchline yelling instructions to the players. He was doing that even during Carrick’s interim tenure, and Carrick did not need a “conduit” as you claimed for Ragnick.His current role isn’t being a manager or coach
I would have thought that we had learned a lesson going with this approach. IMNSHO we need a complete fresh approach and leave the past behind.Why not give fletcher a go at management this could be the plan? One of our own! He's been a success and a leader and a winner
Why not Steve Bruce, Gary Neville, Roy Keane or Mark Hughes?Why not give fletcher a go at management this could be the plan? One of our own! He's been a success and a leader and a winner
I haven't properly posted on RedCafe in nearly 10 years and this post has inspired me to reply. No, just no, please. I'm hoping Rangnick will be successful, but if not, we need someone with a pretty good record of having a clue of what they are doing as a manager at the top tier.Why not give fletcher a go at management this could be the plan? One of our own! He's been a success and a leader and a winner
Him being a consultant doesn't hold much weight, his ideas can very well be rejected.He will be a 'consultant' DOF.
Obviously they're not going to give him the same job title as Murtough. But the plan is for the two to work very closely together over the next 2 years.
Fletcher should be here longer than 2 years so your point doesn't make sense either way.He will be a 'consultant' DOF.
Obviously they're not going to give him the same job title as Murtough. But the plan is for the two to work very closely together over the next 2 years.
I think in large part it is related to Carrick leaving. RR was pretty clear that he wanted Carrick to stay as he wanted some continuity from the previous regime and so with that in mind I would imagine Fletcher fits what he was looking for. Someone who knows the club inside and out and already knows the dynamics of the dressing room is useful to a new Manager as he can cut through any bs the players try to pull and speed up the onboarding process. I very much doubt Darren will be on the touchline next season but for now it makes sense for a number of reasons.The part that confuses me is why he's on the touchline now Ole has gone. If it was doing it prior then it would be consistent but it's like his role has changed but we've not been made aware of it. I have no comment if he's any good at this new role but it's a bit strange.
This. It's mind numbing isn't it.Cry more you pathetic gaggle of bitches.
Based on what?Fletcher should be here longer than 2 years so your point doesn't make sense either way.
Rangnick's boys got jobs because he believes they are right for them.Ralf Rangnick boys got ManUtd job just because they were associated with RB clubs.
Well respected manager also didn't have problem having Fletcher in the dug out.
I would assume he'd not mind having a few years worth of experience and he's next in line. It's not like Murtough is young.Based on what?
If Fletcher wants to become a proper director of football at a high level club in the future he won't be here long, unless he takes Murtough's job.
It's not a really bad thing and I am surprised that it's an issue that's nagging people for over two days on here. First we need to know who Rangnick is; the guy is a builder of clubs and in doing so he has molded a few coaches and DOFs who have worked under him so he clearly enjoys mentorship and Darren is a young upcoming Technical Director, clearly being groomed for bigger things, so is it really surprising that a guy who enjoys mentoring young coaches has hooked up with a young coach at United?I‘m not sure this is such a bad thing. Fletcher seems to really know his stuff, as well as being a United man. I was reading a few weeks ago that he’s known for having a hard edge to him as well. With Rangnick being short of staff, I think all those aspects are useful, and if he’s in on both coaching and next season’s recruitment it’s going to help him as a longer term TD. He’ll be better off knowing all of that if he’s going to be involved in hiring coaches later on.
Maybe the club should clarify that he’s joined the coaching staff until the end of the season.
Going by the examples posted in this thread and before in other thread when this topic was discussed, this is common thing.Rangnick's boys got jobs because he believes they are right for them.
Yes, he seems fine with Fletcher as well, which is good, but the whole thing is still weird. He came back to United in January for one role, moved to a different one two months later and is now - also looking at the Tweet posted earlier - seems to be doing odd jobs. He appears like more of a handyman than having a clear role.
Skeppy short for skeptical...I trust him more than Ragnick. At least he understands what it takes to be successful. Ralf and his boys don’t know anything outside the MLS or the let-Bayern-beat-us-liga. Hopefully he’s still here well after the current staff are gone.
He's exactly what's wrong with this jobs for the boys. He was a part of the Ole DNA shit that spent a fortune to win feck all. Now he's forced on RR to work with.I trust him more than Ragnick. At least he understands what it takes to be successful. Ralf and his boys don’t know anything outside the MLS or the let-Bayern-beat-us-liga. Hopefully he’s still here well after the current staff are gone.
His full job title is 'Director of the Technical Area'.When he was given the job as 'technical director' I thought it would be more in the background, not literally prowling the technical area on match days
I think a lot of people do, and don't want this to become a reality. No one even knows what his job really is. Look what happened with the last time a good player and supposedly good talker was hired. He might talk the talk but can he walk the walk, only time will this. People will be very concerned and don't want a repeat of the past three years.As long as he isn't being groomed as the next managers who cares?
Seriously? You don't think that fans can accurately determine a coach's duties, skill and impact on the team from a few two second clips of them on the sidelines on match day? You obviously significantly underestimate the incredible level of insight that our fans have, and should feel blessed that they share their wisdom with scrubs like us.I’m a bit over this micro analysis of our back room staff
Isn’t it the other way around? Wasn’t RR interviewed and selected by Fletcher and Murtough?If RR don't want him there then he won't be there.
Agreed. If RR had problem with Fletcher was doing, I highly doubt Fletcher would continue doing it.I think in large part it is related to Carrick leaving. RR was pretty clear that he wanted Carrick to stay as he wanted some continuity from the previous regime and so with that in mind I would imagine Fletcher fits what he was looking for. Someone who knows the club inside and out and already knows the dynamics of the dressing room is useful to a new Manager as he can cut through any bs the players try to pull and speed up the onboarding process. I very much doubt Darren will be on the touchline next season but for now it makes sense for a number of reasons.
Or alternatively its because few clubs are as big a mess as United. We have seemingly appointed to key roles on the basis of people having previously played for the club and being matey with ed woodwardNo because other clubs fans aren’t obsessed with being negative and required to know minor role coaches to bitch about.
There you go, seemingly. You don't have a clue mate, nor does anyone else, so it's a really pointless topic of discussion.Or alternatively its because few clubs are as big a mess as United. We have seemingly appointed to key roles on the basis of people having previously played for the club and being matey with ed woodward