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He's not been great for a while and I'm not trying to defend him. But before playing out from the back was so in vogue, he was a good keeper for us. That's my only point really. I'm not looking to defend him as his performances have been poor for too long.I was also saying he was one of the worst in the league at least two years ago. This isn't a new thing that he's looking past his best.
Why though? He's shite, can't pass well and is a cock too. I never want to see him play for us again. Just pick up a new keeper. If Henderson is good enough then it'll be easy to find another.I'd play Henderson next season. I don't particularly like him because his attitude, but I'd rather an arrogant prick who isn't afraid to get stuck in over an absolute pussy who is afraid of his own shadow.
TBF he can pass better than de Gea and is braver with crosses at least. He's average, but at least his wages aren't.. oh wait, we also have him a stupid contract on the back of nothing.Why though? He's shite, can't pass well and is a cock too. I never want to see him play for us again. Just pick up a new keeper. If Henderson is good enough then it'll be easy to find another.
Think it's been 5 years since he was a top keeper. 17/18 was world class despite his weaknesses, but his shot stopping has been average at best since then and his weaknesses only got worse.He's not been great for a while and I'm not trying to defend him. But before playing out from the back was so in vogue, he was a good keeper for us. That's my only point really. I'm not looking to defend him as his performances have been poor for too long.
That's still on him. If attack was an immediate need then buying Antony was in retrospect a bad choice. ETH probably presumed he would have CR7 available all year and in good enough form to carry the team through the end of the season. That obviously never materialized.It's not really, we have been lacking a RW since Valencia. The club left him shit attacking options.
Definitely not a fan of Maguire but don't think he would've flopped that badly with a more commanding keeper behind him.Who is, ironically, an example of someone who has probably been completely broken by playing in front of DDG. Hence he looks like twice the player every time he pulls on an England shirt. And that's playing in front of a goalkeeper as poorly rated on here as Jordan Pickford!
Why do you keep attacking Antony in the De Gea performance thread? Ten Hag tried to sign two proper goalkeepers in Sommer and Trapp in August before signing Antony so it's not as if signing him was the reason we didn't bring in a proper goalkeeper last summer.That's still on him. If attack was an immediate need then buying Antony was in retrospect a bad choice. ETH probably presumed he would have CR7 available all year and in good enough form to carry the team through the end of the season. That obviously never materialized.
It is in response to a comment on page 172Why do you keep attacking Antony in the De Gea performance thread? Ten Hag tried to sign two proper goalkeepers in Sommer and Trapp in August before signing Antony so it's not as if signing him was the reason we didn't bring in a proper goalkeeper last summer.
He would definitely be a terrible second choice keeper. Because they end up being cup specialists. Which comes with a reasonable chance of getting involved in a penalty shoot-out.Pretty mad that a lot of people were saying it was a mistake to renew him last time and here we are 4 years and multiple howlers later still looking at renewing him. We aren't a serious club if it goes ahead.
Even if he's second choice, he doesn't fit the style of the team and is useless on penalties so what's the point of keeping him around?
You repeated yourself about 4 times on page 172. 12 hours later you're still in the De Gea match-thread going on about signing Antony. There's literally a thread for him if you want to slag him off, fecking "nepotism hire" give me a break.It is in response to a comment on page 172
Nobodies 'solution' is Henderson, but the point is that even a keeper who is fairly average all-round is better than what De Gea brings to the team these days.If your solution to De Gea is Henderson then should we be taking you seriously?
If you're going to replace him, you need to replace him with someone better and not just in areas that De Gea is weak at, but also in areas that are his strengths.
What's the point of replacing him with some average keeper? At best we then have to replace an average keeper 12-24 months down the line, see no improvement at all and waste everyones time.
And you'd have a huge stylistic difference between the first and second choice goalkeeper which would cause unnecessary confusion in defending set pieces and the general defensive line positioning.He would definitely be a terrible second choice keeper. Because they end up being cup specialists. Which comes with a reasonable chance of getting involved in a penalty shoot-out.
Well said.You repeated yourself about 4 times on page 172. 12 hours later you're still in the De Gea match-thread going on about signing Antony. There's literally a thread for him if you want to slag him off, fecking "nepotism hire" give me a break.
In response to your initial point on that page about De Gea's error masking the real culprits being the strikers - nonsense. The real culprit who cost us the point yesterday was De Gea. He was the one who passed the ball straight to their attacker 25 yards from goal in the first half, he was the one that let in a shot you'd be disappointed if a 7 year old didn't stop, he was the one flapping and falling over every time they put a cross into the box second half (heck and even trying to stay down while the ball was still in play at one point) and he was the one refusing to come out of his box when they were hoofing the ball clear late on forcing Lindelof or Shaw to run 40 yards back to pick the ball up. I'd probably argue of all those points the one I'm least annoyed with him about is the goal.
If you don't like the content, then its your choice on whether to post in this thread.You repeated yourself about 4 times on page 172. 12 hours later you're still in the De Gea match-thread going on about signing Antony. There's literally a thread for him if you want to slag him off, fecking "nepotism hire" give me a break.
De Gea's mistake was obviously his fault, but that has feck all to do with the fact that had he not made it, we would've still left without 3 points. If we had a couple of goals in us, there would be far less activity in this thread.In response to your initial point on that page about De Gea's error masking the real culprits being the strikers - nonsense. The real culprit who cost us the point yesterday was De Gea. He was the one who passed the ball straight to their attacker 25 yards from goal in the first half, he was the one that let in a shot you'd be disappointed if a 7 year old didn't stop, he was the one flapping and falling over every time they put a cross into the box second half (heck and even trying to stay down while the ball was still in play at one point) and he was the one refusing to come out of his box when they were hoofing the ball clear late on forcing Lindelof or Shaw to run 40 yards back to pick the ball up. I'd probably argue of all those points the one I'm least annoyed with him about is the goal.
De Gea has never been at any stage in his career best keeper in the World , amongst the best yes but best keeper highly doubtful and truth to be told his body of work outside of PL is nothing to write about infact it's full of some really dodgy performances .He has to be the softest keeper in the league, how many times does he need the physio on and is rolling around on the floor?
Sadly once the best keeper in the world and now a shadow of his former self, time to get a commanding keeper who can claim crosses and put his body on the line.
There was a stretch between 2013-16 when he was perceived as on par with Neuer, then considered the best. His problem is he never developed his game beyond the shop stopping part, which limited his career development.De Gea has never been at any stage in his career best keeper in the World , amongst the best yes but best keeper highly doubtful and truth to be told his body of work outside of PL is nothing to write about infact it's full of some really dodgy performances .
That won't be hard then, because he's literally one of the worst keepers in the league across nearly every performance metric.If your solution to De Gea is Henderson then should we be taking you seriously?
If you're going to replace him, you need to replace him with someone better and not just in areas that De Gea is weak at, but also in areas that are his strengths.
What's the point of replacing him with some average keeper? At best we then have to replace an average keeper 12-24 months down the line, see no improvement at all and waste everyones time.
There was one season he arguably was, but it was because Neuer had a bad season (injury hit I think) and we were otherwise in a strange period for keepers. The older generation had dropped off and the next generation were a couple years off stepping up, so to some extent De Gea was the best by default.De Gea has never been at any stage in his career best keeper in the World , amongst the best yes but best keeper highly doubtful and truth to be told his body of work outside of PL is nothing to write about infact it's full of some really dodgy performances .
I don't think any body outside of United fans actually thought that to be honest .There was a stretch between 2013-16 when he was perceived as on par with Neuer, then considered the best. His problem is he never developed his game beyond the shop stopping part, which limited his career development.
The content is you bringing your clear agenda against one player into the wrong specific player performance thread.If you don't like the content, then its your choice on whether to post in this thread.
De Gea's mistake was obviously his fault, but that has feck all to do with the fact that had he not made it, we would've still left without 3 points. If we had a couple of goals in us, there would be far less activity in this thread.
De Gea's mistake changed the entire momentum of the match, so it very well could have been the difference between winning and losing. From that point forward West Ham were playing better and had their fans strongly behind them, while we dropped off.De Gea's mistake was obviously his fault, but that has feck all to do with the fact that had he not made it, we would've still left without 3 points. If we had a couple of goals in us, there would be far less activity in this thread.
We've scored 4 goals in our last 6 games, so while DDG's deserves blame for this mistake, it can't be said that he is the reason we are dropping as many points as we have been over the past two months. There is something deeper and more pervasive that has happened to this entire team since the 7-0 at Anfield two months ago, that we have simply not been able to recover from that is far more psychological than a couple of mistakes from the keeper during that stretch. I'm sure ETH is fully aware of it, but is struggling to come with ideas on how to resolve it.The content is you bringing your clear agenda against one player into the wrong specific player performance thread.
And of course it had a bearing on us taking something from the game. If we don't go 1-0 down who's to know how the game would have played out? We were well on top at the time of the goal. Their team certainly wouldn't have received the boost that the goal gave them, the crowd certainly wouldn't have reached the levels they did afterwards - believe me it was a fecking morgue prior to the goal, our team wouldn't have taken the confidence hit of going a goal down, they wouldn't have defended so deep and killed time all second half. As for people being in this thread had we won; people would be in this thread regardless because, first and foremost, he made a very basic error leading to a goal but secondly, slowly but surely, more and more people are cottoning on to the issues he causes us in defence.
What significant system change has ETH made that Maguire is suffering from? We actually play deeper and play more direct quite often under ETH than we did under Ole.The england play style suits Maguire much better. Maguire was better under Ole as well.
We are playing out from behind more often. Maguire ponders on the ball way to much. That has nothing to do with De Gea. De Gea isnt good enough but that doesnt mean Maguire suddenly will be with a different keeper. Both are shite.What significant system change has ETH made that Maguire is suffering from? We actually play deeper and play more direct quite often under ETH than we did under Ole.
Maguire can play a high line no problem as long as you cover for his obvious weakness with a sweeper keeper. When Henderson played we played alot higher than what we play now with Maguire playing very well for us. The reason it worked was because Henderson is an excellent sweeper and is quite happy to keep a high starting posistions. De Gea isn't a good sweeper and is inclination is to stay back and go back.
I think Maguire's problem this season where he as actually for the large part been ok. Is not being a regular starter, and he quite clearly does not like or trust De Gea.
Absolutely, there is no benefit in publicly calling out your keeper with just four games to go and no Sealey type waiting in the wings. If Ten Hag is the manager we hope he is, getting a new keeper should be top priority this summer along with a striker.Regardless of what EtH thinks about next season, he wont be dumb enough to put down ddg right now with his comments. Of course he will try and talk him up to make sure he finishes the season strong.
Four?I think it's time to let De Gea go. Pep got rid of Hart and Klopp got rid of Karius. It's clear De Gea can't play the way EtH wants.
Four mistakes this season and three of them have led to defeats. On top of that, he has never commanded the area and can not sweeper keep.
This season his xG conceded is around three more than he should have conceded.
Let him go, save on his wages and worse come to worse let Henderson play for a bit.
and I can only recall Van der Sar making 2-3 mistakes of these scale in his 6 years at the club. De Gea does it 6 times in ONE year.Four?
Six more like, two against Brentford, two against Sevilla, 1 against Everton and 1 last night against West Ham.
That's six major mistakes in one season alone. Not just little mistakes, actual catastrophic mistakes!
If ETH wants to continue with De Gea he's a mad man, fair enough he doesn't trust the support cast this season but surely we can't have another season of this madness. He's costing us too many points.
Before we conceded we had momentum and we were in charge. It was more possible for us to win than draw. The loss is mostly on DDG. Could we have played better in the 2nd half? Of course. But that doesn't change the fact that DDG killed any momentum we were building.If you don't like the content, then its your choice on whether to post in this thread.
De Gea's mistake was obviously his fault, but that has feck all to do with the fact that had he not made it, we would've still left without 3 points. If we had a couple of goals in us, there would be far less activity in this thread.
It does however mean him not making directly resulted in us not leaving with at least 1 point.De Gea's mistake was obviously his fault, but that has feck all to do with the fact that had he not made it, we would've still left without 3 points. If we had a couple of goals in us, there would be far less activity in this thread.
Are you trying to say he was unlucky and/or that keepers frequently mess up weak shots 30 yards outside the goal, along the floor?Terrible mistake for the goal, but those bobble type balls are frequently a problem for goalies. Almost worse was his weakness in dealing with high balls. I‘m starting to lose my patience with him despite all his clean sheets.
For the record, an average keeper would be an improvementIf your solution to De Gea is Henderson then should we be taking you seriously?
If you're going to replace him, you need to replace him with someone better and not just in areas that De Gea is weak at, but also in areas that are his strengths.
What's the point of replacing him with some average keeper? At best we then have to replace an average keeper 12-24 months down the line, see no improvement at all and waste everyones time.
