gooDevil
Worst scout ever
Monday, June 16th, Germany vs. Portugal at Arena Fonte Nova, Salvador (5pm BST, 12pm ET)
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Wait, what?Hope that Ronaldo will tear us apart and the remaining Portoguese have a good day, too. The sooner the Löw area ends, the better.
Hope that Ronaldo will tear us apart and the remaining Portoguese have a good day, too. The sooner the Löw area ends, the better.
We have a few "supporters" here in Germany who just want to get rid of Löw at all circumstances, quite ridiculous really...Wait, what?
I do agree with you there, but on some level I can understand all the Germans who want the "Nationalmannschaft" to go out early. Having a coach who is actually top class and not just mediocre without an idea of a defensive concept would really help Germany's chances to win something in the near future. It would be a damn shame if this generation didn't get any big international titles. And with Löw in charge this pretty much seems to be out of reach. Löw already has a contract lasting until 2016 and if Germany do the way Germany normally does, which means going to the semis before being eliminated by the first really good side they come across, Löw of course will again be praised for this "fantastic accomplishment" and may even get a contract until 2018. Counting the 2006 world cup where he was virtually in charge this is now Löw's fifth major tournament in charge of Germany. I don't think any German coach has ever gone this long without actually winning anything. I mean Berti Vogts was practically lynched when he didn't win all the games back in the 90's. But somehow with probably the best generation in German football, well except for strikers, we have settled for coming 3rd all the time. And this will most definitely continue as long as Löw is in charge.We have a few "supporters" here in Germany who just want to get rid of Löw at all circumstances, quite ridiculous really...
What a life you must have to cheer for the opponent team purely to get rid of a coach.
A life, where I want to see the fantastic work of German clubs in terms of youth development being rewarded with some kind of silverware. I´m absolutely certain that we won´t win this tournament. Not just a negative feeling, I´m sure of it. We will get past the group stages on nothing else but individual class of our players and then go out in the KO stages vs. the first team which is around our level in that regard. At a certain point individual class won´t be enough without the proper tactics and system and we will hit a dead end once again. Löw won´t have to answer the hard questions and keep clinging to his spot as national coach.We have a few "supporters" here in Germany who just want to get rid of Löw at all circumstances, quite ridiculous really...
What a life you must have to cheer for the opponent team purely to get rid of a coach.
You don't get the point. Which is that with Löw in charge Germany will never win a major title, because they'll never be able to beat an actually very good team. Every time in recent years Germany crashed and burned against the first good team they came across. True, Spain may still have the better squad all around, but that is where the coach comes in. He is the one who should make a difference in these sort of games. Italy didn't have the better squad in 2012, but they had the better coach. That's why they won. There is no way in hell that Netherlands have a better squad than Spain. But it seems that they have the better coach. Germany never in the history of the game had the best squad in the world, but their coaches were mostly top class. Add to that the so called "German spirit" of defying the odds, which the current generation doesn't really seem to have, and you get three World Cup as well as three Euros. Löw will probably never outcoach another manager at the biggest stages, Germany will easily beat opponents that are individually worse than them, but struggle against decent teams as long as Löw is in charge. A semi final isn't a success for a German team. That might sound a little arrogant but it just isn't. But with this coach Germany will never be the overachieving side it used to be. People used to say "Why the hell did the Germans win, they really aren't that good!", they don't anymore. We have a squad that can certainly win a title but we don't have the coach to beat a team that isn't considerably weaker than we are. And that is the problem.You lot are overreacting a little bit...
How do you know? We had no chance against Spain in 2010, compare both line ups and tell me any coach would've been able to beat Spain. They were on top of their game... And if you think Argentina, Netherlands or Portugal aren't top sides then I don't know what teams are.You don't get the point. Which is that with Löw in charge Germany will never win a major title, because they'll never be able to beat an actually very good team. Every time in recent years Germany crashed and burned against the first good team they came across. True, Spain may still have the better squad all around, but that is where the coach comes in. He is the one who should make a difference in these sort of games. Italy didn't have the better squad in 2012, but they had the better coach. That's why they won. There is no way in hell that Netherlands have a better squad than Spain. But it seems that they have the better coach. Germany never in the history of the game had the best squad in the world, but their coaches were mostly top class. Add to that the so called "German spirit" of defying the odds, which the current generation doesn't really seem to have, and you get three World Cup as well as three Euros. Löw will probably never outcoach another manager at the biggest stages, Germany will easily beat opponents that are individually worse than them, but struggle against decent teams as long as Löw is in charge. A semi final isn't a success for a German team. That might sound a little arrogant but it just isn't. But with this coach Germany will never be the overachieving side it used to be. People used to say "Why the hell did the Germans win, they really aren't that good!", they don't anymore. We have a squad that can certainly win a title but we don't have the coach to beat a team that isn't considerably than we are. And that is the problem.
I never said that I wouldn't support the team, I will, I also find it ridiculous that people won't. I'm just saying that I kind of get why they won't. Even if we beat Portugal tomorrow what will that tell you about the time we come across a top team like Netherlands, Spain or Italy? Right, nothing. The past just shows that with Löw we were never able to beat a team that was above our level in terms of squad quality and got beaten quite a few times by a team that was actually below us. People are just afraid of us crusing through the tournament again before coming across some good opposition in the semis just for Löw to say that we played a good tournament. Rinse and repeat for the next ten years. Germany defied the odds in the past, why can't they anymore, that's what people are wondering. I don't want Germany to go out early, I want them to win, and even though I don't think it's possible, I will be supporting them until they get eliminated. But if things do not improve at this tournament, which they probably won't seeing how Löw had years to incorporate a pressing system and a concept for the defense, Löw will have to go, which he might not seeing how big his support at DFB is unless Germany get a horrible result. That's why people hope for Germany to go out early. And I can see this reasoning, even though I don't agree.This Löw-bashing is getting out of hand, I understand that some of you might be unhappy but it's getting to the point where it's a little embarrassing. Not supporting the team and cheering for the opponents, what is this?
Which games are you referring to other than the Italy game?Even if we beat Portugal tomorrow what will that tell you about the time we come across a top team like Netherlands, Spain or Italy? Right, nothing. The past just shows that with Löw we were never able to beat a team that was above our level in terms of squad quality and got beaten quite a few times by a team that was actually below us.
Croatia 2008 and to some extent Serbia 2010, but I got to admit that I might have exaggerated a little here. Isn't the main point though.Which games are you referring to other than the Italy game?
You don't think his injury will be a factor? We all know the Balon D' Or is what is on his mind. Messi has already taken the lead for the award with his goal against Bosnia, Ronaldo will be feeling the pressure.****** will score definitely given his form.
I highly doubt scoring a goal against Bosnia will have any effect on the Balon D'Or!!You don't think his injury will be a factor? We all know the Balon D' Or is what is on his mind. Messi has already taken the lead for the award with his goal against Bosnia, Ronaldo will be feeling the pressure.
Messi would have to at least win top scorer or get to the semis for the world cup to influence the balon dor. Ronaldo is way ahead at the moment in that race and if it was handed out in may he would have won it.You don't think his injury will be a factor? We all know the Balon D' Or is what is on his mind. Messi has already taken the lead for the award with his goal against Bosnia, Ronaldo will be feeling the pressure.
I think his injury has been overplayed. Hasn't he been training consistently with the rest of the squad? He himself said he is in good enough condition for the game.You don't think his injury will be a factor? We all know the Balon D' Or is what is on his mind. Messi has already taken the lead for the award with his goal against Bosnia, Ronaldo will be feeling the pressure.
He clearly meant Golden boot/shoe.I highly doubt scoring a goal against Bosnia will have any effect on the Balon D'Or!!
the only possible chance to get rid of löw would be if they failed to make it to the knock-out stage. other than that, he and his entourage will simply continue the business as usual, because INJURIES.
Rousseff & Merkel sextape incoming.Merkel will be there
Off to the World Cup Babes topic!
wait what?
No. I meant Balon D' Or.He clearly meant Golden boot/shoe.
So let's hope he wins the cup.The sooner the Löw area ends, the better.
I don't think Messi has any chance unless Argentina wins the WC. Ronaldo has been much much better and that's not even debatable.No. I meant Balon D' Or.
If Messi advances further than Ronaldo in this world cup, and scores a few goals in the process, they will give it to him. People want a reason to not have to vote for Ronaldo.
i neither wish for, nor do i expect germany to actually fail in their group, it was just my thought on how to possibly get rid of löw. which would be a really interesting situation at least..I hate Löw just like everybody else does but I have to agree with that other poster above...I don't understand why so many of us want us to fail just to get rid of Löw. This is the last chance for some players who've done well for us and we should back them and hope they'll go far. Just because Löw is shit some of us are giving up on the whole team? The team is more than Löw...infact the team is more than just the squad, this team is Germany. :P So ya'll better get your thoughts straight!
Aside of that, even if we crash, Löw is guaranteed to go till 2016 anyway! I highly doubt he'll go till 2018 and I don't think he'll get another extension. So basically us failing would mean nothing for Löw aside of knowing that he's a failure. But he'd keep his job. Surely the better option would be us doing well if he keeps his job anyway.