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I've been thinking recently maybe it's best we go for the cheaper options like the free transfers and guys from Ligue 1 first so we can cover the gaps in our squad.

Let's see if we were able to get lucky and get players that were able to settle in the PL - if not we go for someone who has been doing well already there like Rice for the bigger price afterwards.

For me, what I like about Rice is nothing to do with things like interceptions, leadership or passing - its simply the way he stops the passing lanes for the opposition. I genuinely feel that he can make the opposition really struggle to get a shot in on goal for a long time during a match. To me it feels almost like a cheat code with how well he does it and reads the game.

I personally don't see this link to Maguire people make - a player Leicester didn't rate all that high and wasn't anywhere near the player Rice is from 22-23.

Anyway, I don't feel like it's right buying him for 80 mil only for half the fan base to start questioning why he isn't playing like Pogba and being our creative presence - when he never is that player.

I'm getting more open to buying Rice later than now, because some don't see what he brings that some other CDM's don't. I think he is a very specialised type of player, and for that maybe it's best we go for him only when we as a team need him - or when someone like our future deep lying playmaker may need him.
Lots of people rated Maguire. Pep wanted him, Mourinho wanted him. He was solid in the world cup run to the Semis also.

Let's not take some pissed off Leicester fans opinions after they sold him - they loved him while he was there. They got so upset they even made a song about him :lol:

It wouldn't be beyond our luck that Rice becomes a small fish in a big pond at united. Just look at how Lingard played while at West Ham, why can't he reproduce that for us?

Not every player is the same of course, he might come in and be the best midfielder since Carrick - or he might be the next Schneiderlin. For £80m can we really take that risk?

As you say we could find an effective option in France, Brazil, Portugal or Spain for a 1/4 of the price and afford another player. We're going to need at least 1 more striker, maybe 2 midfielders this summer.
 

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All this accounting is too much. We need to get the player. £80m would be money well spent.
 

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£30M for 28 year old player from Ukrainian League in 2013 wasn't a bargain.
28 or 23 how does it matter? They all sign a 5-year deal and at 33 midfielders can still generally perform at a high level. Beyond the 5-year contract you have no idea whether the player will renew his contract. We said the same about Pogba playing for us for 10 years and yet here we are. At 30% of Rice’s valuation Fernandinho was indeed a bargain.
 

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All this accounting is too much. We need to get the player. £80m would be money well spent.
£80 mill? Why not £150 mill? £250 mill? £500 mill? Why argue over the accounting? Just spend! Not our money, right?

Tbh, yeah, £80 mill is probably fair. But at £80 mill, we are probably closing in on a limit.
 

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£80 mill? Why not £150 mill? £250 mill? £500 mill? Why argue over the accounting? Just spend! Not our money, right?

Tbh, yeah, £80 mill is probably fair. But at £80 mill, we are probably closing in on a limit.
Well it’s pointless coming with all of this ‘if we buy Rice we can’t buy x’ stuff - you have no idea how much we have to spend.
 

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All this accounting is too much. We need to get the player. £80m would be money well spent.
£80m for him well spent. Really? For that amount on a midfielder you expect something extraordinary. That is an absurd fee for him. Whoever pays that are clueless. In todays market £60m max for him.
 

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Well it’s pointless coming with all of this ‘if we buy Rice we can’t buy x’ stuff - you have no idea how much we have to spend.
No. But I do know there is a limit to what we will spend. And I do know that £100 mill could to be two very good players. In fact, £100 mill is close to what LFC paid for their last three signings combined (Diaz, Jota and Konate).

Man Utd right now have several weaknesses in the squad. Why is it a problem if people discuss if should «spread the funds out more»? In fact, it seems quite naive not to.

It is so silly to think that when we finally get Rice, Pogba leaves. Maybe in five-six years time, when we finally replace Pogba, it is Rice who leaves?
 

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£80m for him well spent. Really? For that amount on a midfielder you expect something extraordinary. That is an absurd fee for him. Whoever pays that are clueless. In todays market £60m max for him.
He is extraordinary.
 

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No. But I do know there is a limit to what we will spend. And I do know that £100 mill could to be two very good players. In fact, £100 mill is close to what LFC paid for their last three signings combined (Diaz, Jota and Konate).

Man Utd right now have several weaknesses in the squad. Why is it a problem if people discuss if should «spread the funds out more»? In fact, it seems quite naive not to.

It is so silly to think that when we finally get Rice, Pogba leaves. Maybe in five-six years time, when we finally replace Pogba, it is Rice who leaves?
So why do you think that if we buy Rice for the reported £80m, or even £100m, we can’t buy more players though? If the club feel they want to strengthen 4 positions, they will not only buy Rice.
 

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So why do you think that if we buy Rice for the reported £80m, or even £100m, we can’t buy more players though? If the club feel they want to strengthen 4 positions, they will not only buy Rice.
We can probably buy more players. But obviously fewer or cheaper. There is a limit to how much transfer debt the owners will accept. That should be obvious?!
 

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We can probably buy more players. But obviously fewer or cheaper. There is a limit to how much transfer debt the owners will accept. That should be obvious?!
I think what is obvious is the club identify their first choice targets in positions they want to strengthen and pursue them. I’m happy for the first choice defensive midfielder to be Rice. There’s nothing in how we have acted over the years that indicates to me that we wouldn’t still be competitive in the market after we bought Rice. So I am more optimistic than you are!
 

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I think what is obvious is the club identify their first choice targets in positions they want to strengthen and pursue them. I’m happy for the first choice defensive midfielder to be Rice. There’s nothing in how we have acted over the years that indicates to me that we wouldn’t still be competitive in the market after we bought Rice. So I am more optimistic than you are!
Thats true. But is that really a good thing? Isn’t the recruitment the cause of a lot of criticism? I certainly understand your stance on the matter but to me, it looks like trying the same act over and over - seemingly not realising, that it always is a huge gamble and more often than not you end up dumbfounded.

Rice is a good player. Having him would give us many opportunities for formations and approaches. And the story wreaks of United transfer approach 2017-2021. Bring in the seemingly sure thing, a player that performs well in the league, is an Englishmen and as the icing on the cake is a leader. It is the exact same story as with Maguire. Rice looks really good for Westham, for a team setup by Moyes. The trainer who managed to make us think bringing in Fellaini would be a suitable idea for our midfield. In weeks, where Rice doesn’t impress we don’t really get to know it because it is just Westham. But for us, he would be under pressure, would be in the spotlight. And having that huge price tag will do its thing as well. Remember, if there is something like a comfort zone, Rice is in it. That will be gone at United and in my eyes it way more likely he’ll shrink when confronted with parked busses.

We made the mistake with Shaw. With AWB. With Maguire. At some point, we just have to learn the lesson. Manchester United isn’t the special animal which is only working when there is one world record fee signing after the other added to the squad. Make a plan, scout talents, pick the right players according to the needed profile. Not just his reputation. My 9 yo nephew can come up with Rice. I expect the club to be better than that.

Nobody knows how we will play next year. Making such a big outlay for one player would be exactly the kind of short-visioned mistake we criticized the club for all those years. Why would the outcome change now? For once, I’d like United to be in the headlines for good and/or brave signings instead of the biggest bucks.


No trainer will be able to play modern football with the striker department we have.
No manager will overcome the lack of output of both of our fullbacks.
Our wide forward, wide player contingent doesn’t look all too promising these days.
No formation will mitigate the effect of concentration lapses in our defense overall, they aren’t greatly equipped for a high line which is kind of one of the main ingredients for modern football...

Unquestionable - we have a huge need for upgrades in midfield. But not just for a defensive minded player. Bar this freak season we were mostly solid defensively and the big big thing that has seen our rivals Liverpool and City sprint away is chance creation. And to circumvent that by saying just bring in Rice so all our attacking players can solely focus on attack is extremely optimistic. Probably naive.

Just do the hard work please. Find players who suit the profile without excessive fees. Spare these fees for exceptional talents not for players where the biggest pro argument is, that the need is there and the chance for failure is pretty low. For once, don't try to be clever and rectify past mistakes by trying to overpay for them to disappear.
On top of that, diversifying is always a good strategy. Pogba is gone, Matic can’t be counted on. And I am sure it wouldn’t be the most reasonable strategy to just put excessive pressure on Garner and Mejbri. We need numbers in midfield. And as bad as many on here depict Fred and McTom, it shouldn’t be too difficult, to bring in more than one upgrade.
 

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£80m for him well spent. Really? For that amount on a midfielder you expect something extraordinary. That is an absurd fee for him. Whoever pays that are clueless. In todays market £60m max for him.
You’re right, but does it really matter if we spend an extra 20m for a player we believe will transform the squad from good to great?
 

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I'm more excited at the prospect of Garner joining the first team next season.
 

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Lots of people rated Maguire. Pep wanted him, Mourinho wanted him. He was solid in the world cup run to the Semis also.

Let's not take some pissed off Leicester fans opinions after they sold him - they loved him while he was there. They got so upset they even made a song about him :lol:

It wouldn't be beyond our luck that Rice becomes a small fish in a big pond at united. Just look at how Lingard played while at West Ham, why can't he reproduce that for us?

Not every player is the same of course, he might come in and be the best midfielder since Carrick - or he might be the next Schneiderlin. For £80m can we really take that risk?

As you say we could find an effective option in France, Brazil, Portugal or Spain for a 1/4 of the price and afford another player. We're going to need at least 1 more striker, maybe 2 midfielders this summer.
Yeah need 2 midfielders this summer but almost certainly won't get them due to our huge striker issue with Edi leaving and Mason's career buried
 

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I’d go all out for Rice regardless of price and then also get Kamara on a free, back that up with promoting Garner and Mejbri and that’s four new midfielders for next season and very balanced when we’d obviously still have McTominay and Fred knocking about too.
 

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Seen him live many times he's good but wouldn't go that far.
Not sure I'd agree, I've seen him live several times as well and tbh he stands out like a sore thumb every time. There was a game at OT a few years back he came on after about an hour as a teenager with the game lost and he was really good as a 18/19 year old. Sure we beat them 2-1 the following season as well and he was the best player on the pitch. He's one of them players who gets better every time you see them.
 

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I’d go all out for Rice regardless of price and then also get Kamara on a free, back that up with promoting Garner and Mejbri and that’s four new midfielders for next season and very balanced when we’d obviously still have McTominay and Fred knocking about too.
Sounds like a sensible plan but then we never do common sense at this club. Should be looking at these shrewd free transfers in the summer.
 

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We could get Ndidi and Tielemens for less than the price of Rice. Would prefer that. Not that I don’t think Rice would instantly improve us, but if Pogba leaves we would need more reinforcements in midfield which the glazers certainly wouldn’t pony up for.
 

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We could get Ndidi and Tielemens for less than the price of Rice. Would prefer that. Not that I don’t think Rice would instantly improve us, but if Pogba leaves we would need more reinforcements in midfield which the glazers certainly wouldn’t pony up for.
If WHU get CL football somehow not too sure he will move. Why would you.
 

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Why won't he unless West ham play hardball and make it difficult .
They will make it difficult. Moyes would never do us any favours for a start. I think the only teams that would attract him and City or going back to Chelsea. He is a very good player, but there are so many holes in our team, he would eat up a big chunk of the budget. Ones saying City won't pay that amount, well they got rid of the hoodoo by signing Grealish.
 

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They will make it difficult. Moyes would never do us any favours for a start. I think the only teams that would attract him and City or going back to Chelsea. He is a very good player, but there are so many holes in our team, he would eat up a big chunk of the budget. Ones saying City won't pay that amount, well they got rid of the hoodoo by signing Grealish.
I don't believe Moyes would have much say in it, United have as good a chance to land him as any other English Club due to clear spot for him in the team unlike other English Clubs, only question is whether we should blow our whole budget on him frankly I just don't know .
 

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We could get Ndidi and Tielemens for less than the price of Rice. Would prefer that. Not that I don’t think Rice would instantly improve us, but if Pogba leaves we would need more reinforcements in midfield which the glazers certainly wouldn’t pony up for.
Good luck with that. Tielemans might go for a ‘cut’ price because he’s got a year left, but Leicester will still hold out for a large sum for Ndidi.

Neither of them have been close performance-wise to Rice this season too.
 

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So? Why do you think thats so important? There are more important things.
The size of the club that’s interested is bigger than West Ham having CL for one year.
We have CL this year, how does it feel for you? Optimistic? Fulfilled?
 

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The more i watch him play the more i'm convinced he's the midfield Harry Maguire.

He's big and he's english.

He even looks like our captain doofus.

Stay away please.
 
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