- Sep 23, 2016
Good postJudging from your posts you'd think football was invented in 2012. Back in the mid 2000s it was strange for Carrick to even be deployed in the role he ended up playing because most teams had the Tchouameni, Rice type that you speak of. Makelele, Mascherano, De Jong, Gilberto Silva were the type of combative and disciplined DMs that played then. Even though Keane wasn't a DM he still fit the mould of the players listed above. Carrick was seen as the complete opposite of that and people questioned if him and Scholes could work initially and it worked a treat.
Even Xabi Alonso, a similar type of player to Carrick was deployed alongside specialist DMs in the Mid-late 2000s with Sissoko or Mascherano but in the pressing era was the deepest midfielder for Madrid and Bayern. Would you take Rice ahead of him also as the deepest midfielder because he'd be more suited to a high press?
I feel you're too hung up on a particular type of football, not every game is a replay of Man City vs Liverpool. Very few games are actually a high press/counter press 90 minute tactical battle. Most teams that Liverpool or City play against wouldn't dare mark them high up the pitch because they'll get cut open as we did for the Keita goal against Liverpool this season. There's probably 10 games or less where teams will push up all the way on Rodri or Fabinho because it will be punished and you'll be opened up. Leeds, Southampton and more recently Everton are the perfect example of this, they get hammered because of this high press. For the most part teams will sit deeper against a better team and make you work to open them up. Carrick is levels above Rice in such situations.
You're also seriously underestimating Carricks ability defensively. He was a master of anticipating attacks and intercepting play, the same things Rice does. You're describing him as if he would be a libility in today's game which is strange as he'd be far more valuable today than he was in the era he played in. He's not too different to Rodri, Brozovic, Jorginho and they've not done too badly.
I also don't see why he would struggle to push up and win the ball higher up the pitch as that is all about coaching, reading the play and timing. Bernardo Silva is a pressing machine and is as lightweight as they come and not particularly quick either. I would understand if he was lazy like Pogba or slow like Matic but that wasn't the case with Carrick.