Leicester had 3 key players dropped due to a sneaky night out covid breach. They were weakened more than West Ham. Will be interesting to see if West Ham can keep up the hot form without Rice.
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ill be very upset if we spunk anything close to £100m on this guy, £50m tops
I rate him but come on, we need to be more savvy in the market than that
I rate him but come on, we need to be more savvy in the market than that
With Pogba and Bruno in the team, what we need is a Fernandinho, someone that is defensively solid enough to not require us to play two holding midfielders. Can Rice fill that role?
This is where we need the blokes in our scouting department need to earn their wages. Even 50 million quid is alot of money for this vanilla footballer.
I'm convinced we don't have the money to spend 100mil on Rice anyway. I don't know exactly what reserves we do have, but you can't think of this like a normal transfer window. If clubs demand stupid fees we'll walk away.
If it wasn't for Jesse's form I'd say we have no chance to sign Rice this summer, but he's done us a huge favour with his impact there. A player + cash deal feels like a genuine possibility, and as long as the fee doesn't exceed say 40mil, I'd consider that a very good deal.
How?? Leicester created chances for fun, and everybody that watched the game could tell WHU was lucky with 3 points.
For the price quoted for Rice, I’d rather get 2 out of Bissouma, Neves, Gravenberch or Camavinga.
And some preferred Van de Beek over Grealish for the price quoted. Sometimes the budget option isn't justified, after spending 40M on him, we're now in a position where we have to hope Van de Beek comes good or we take a hit and replace him for another signing.
Don't think you're getting any of Camavinga or Neves for less than 50M either.
Can't say how good he really is or what is fair price might be. However, signing a player in this vein would give me more excitement than all this talk about Haaland, Kane etc. as this could immediately transform our style of play.
If Lingard is able to keep this form until the end of the season we should really try and make use of this fact. West Ham seem to really believe Jesse is the next big thing. Talks of Real Madrid or PSG having a look at him (even if this is complete and utter nonsens) might help to get them to agreeing a deal.
If Lingard is able to keep this form until the end of the season we should really try and make use of this fact. West Ham seem to really believe Jesse is the next big thing. Talks of Real Madrid or PSG having a look at him (even if this is complete and utter nonsens) might help to get them to agreeing a deal.
Declan Rice is doing nothing of the sort.
Henderson has/will and so would an aggressive/pacy partner for Maguire. You can't seriously be saying you're more excited about potentially signing Rice than two of the best strikers in the whole of europe
.if west ham really want Lingard, we can swap him for Rice AND maybe throw them 10mill too. i could see Rice being a great player for us for years to come.
Natural replacement for Matic, can play at the back too, or in a back 3.... great signing IMHO.
Natural replacement for Matic, can play at the back too, or in a back 3.... great signing IMHO.
Kinda disagree on that, because it will open up a slot in midfield because we dont need both McT and Fred.
We could play Pogba and Bruno in mid together every game while still having 3 real forwards, like we did at the end of last season.
Could even start playing 4-3-3 if we wanted.
A mobile and proper defensive mid does make your team more offensive and adaptable because of this.
Right, so West Ham, who could either keep Rice or get at least 60m for him on the open market, would swap him for Lingard and 10m, valuing Lingard at 50m+ with one year left on his contract. Very likely.
There is just something about Rice that makes me always feel that he will end up here.
The England national team players are on a different level at the moment, I'm seeing young players in Italy, Germany, France, Holland, Portugual and more countries.
However, they tend to be these dribbling and skilful type players similar to how we would find skillful young spanish/portugese players in the PL team.
Rice however is not that. Either he is the physical and tactically intelligent CDM that allows this technical future English team to have a shape and a balance that is set up to perfection or he is a pure nothing player like Schneiderlin.
If Ole wants him and gets him this season then I'm quite confident that he is meant to be the CDM core player that can help give a defensive shape to the front players like Rashford, Grealish, Sancho, Greenwood for both England and United.
If Ole doesnt want him then I will believe that he was never good enough.
The England national team players are on a different level at the moment, I'm seeing young players in Italy, Germany, France, Holland, Portugual and more countries.
However, they tend to be these dribbling and skilful type players similar to how we would find skillful young spanish/portugese players in the PL team.
Rice however is not that. Either he is the physical and tactically intelligent CDM that allows this technical future English team to have a shape and a balance that is set up to perfection or he is a pure nothing player like Schneiderlin.
If Ole wants him and gets him this season then I'm quite confident that he is meant to be the CDM core player that can help give a defensive shape to the front players like Rashford, Grealish, Sancho, Greenwood for both England and United.
If Ole doesnt want him then I will believe that he was never good enough.
If you think we're going to just drop 2 of our ever present CMs this season and replace them with just Rice, you'll be disappointed.
His stats aren't any better than Fred's so why would that even be an option? He could potentially be a Fred replacement, but think he offers nothing extra than what Fred is currently doing now, so I'm not sure I see where this transformation comes from.
Think Rice has a much higher dribbler tackle and dribbling success rate and a much lower
dispossessed rate.
But if Fred actually is equally as good as Rice then im quite baffled tbh. They look miles apart when I watch them , but I guess that doesnt necessarily mean much.
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Really not a lot in it defensively and he's a much more progressive passer.
If we are making just 2 signings this Summer then i would feel confident if it was Rice and a Prolific #9.
Rice can cover CB, DM and CM. So it solves a lot of problems.
Like how we signed Lukaku from under Chelsea's noses because they wanted Rooney, we could get a huge advantage in negotiations for Rice by making potential Lingard negotiations at the same time.
Rice can cover CB, DM and CM. So it solves a lot of problems.
Like how we signed Lukaku from under Chelsea's noses because they wanted Rooney, we could get a huge advantage in negotiations for Rice by making potential Lingard negotiations at the same time.
Rice, Sancho, CB and Cavani for another year. Wouldn't be the worst summer.
This is baffling. Rice doesn't even play as a CDM for West Ham, and he's no more mobile or athletic than Mctominay.
It would be a massive summer. Not sure what more people could expect.
Would be the best possible scenario and it’s completely doable.
It would exceed my expectations to be honest, I think its going to be a very tricky summer.
What? He most certainly does, not every game, but very many of them.
At best I'll concede he is a hybrid of the two positions, but far better positionally minded than McT if thats the comparison.
He has even said it himself a number of times that holding/defensive midfielder is his preferred role.
This is my perspective too. Vanilla is quite apt. I might just be being snobbish but I fail to see how spending heavy on Rice or Bissouma does much to close the gap on Pep’s City. Fred and McTominay are good level squaddies in an ideal world, but I really am failing to see what the Caf’s favourites offer that is comprehensively a level above what we have.
To be fair I like Rice and I can't disagree about him being quite vanilla. I just think its the sort of signing we will make though.
If we’re going to get him let’s hope West Ham don’t make the CL. Would give us more strength in the negotiations and that’s without any mention of Lingard
This is exactly what I'm hoping for.
The absolute dream window with 120m net spend (sell Fred to make it 90m):
60m Rice
50m Varane
80m Sancho
= 190m
30m Lingard
10m Pereira
15m Dalot
5m Romero
5m Phil Jones
5m Juan Mata
= 70m
Is Rice 60m better than what we have? Kounde is available for a similar fee, who is capable of CB/RB and DM. I wonder how the two compare.
We need a specialist CB and CM, not a player that can occupy both positions.
I'd say CB is more of a priority, as we only really have two reliable centre backs in Maguire and Lindelof.
Sp do i cheer for WH to get top 4 now or hope its 5th and we get Rice?
Honestly think both Chelsea and Liverpool missing out is worth more to us than getting Rice this summer
Honestly think both Chelsea and Liverpool missing out is worth more to us than getting Rice this summer
The positions they can theoretically cover is hardly the most relevant thing. Kounde would be signed as a CB and Rice as a CM, so it's not really a comparison.
It was more directed at the article's insinuation that versatility is a factor (how Rice is a DM who can play CB). Also a matter of fee - is it worth spending on Rice who is a CM and can play CB too, or on Kounde who is a CB and can play at CM too. From the little I've seen of Kounde, he looks a superior ball carrier too.
I still love this vs Barcelona from defence:
I think this will be another 'Maguire' type signing if it happens. We'll overpay for a good but not great player - I also don't think he helps our issue with a lack of pace around the CB s as well which Henderson has alleviated somewhat. We already have a lot of depth in the CMs and whilst I think he's a decent player and is better than what we have, I don't think he's the calibre we should be going for as a priority.
Swap Lingard for Diop which addresses the CB issue & then focus everything we have on an RW.
Swap Lingard for Diop which addresses the CB issue & then focus everything we have on an RW.
Exactly, which is why I commandeered this thread with Kounde as a shout
We've needed a proper defensive mid for ages, probably the 2nd most neglected position after right wing for us. Would easily be the 2 positions I would focus on if I was Ole. We'll never look complete when we can't even put out a starting 11 with everyone in their natural positions and the team being balanced in all areas. So a creative right winger and a natural defensive midfielder.
Rice might not be there yet, but he's a very good player and very young too. Would be all for this signing.
Rice might not be there yet, but he's a very good player and very young too. Would be all for this signing.
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