Alli isn't amazing at anything other than positioning and finishing, but he's still very good technically. He just makes the right pass a lot of the time, very good decision making. Lingard at rubbish at everything.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Dele Alli is miles ahead of Jesse Lingard ffs.
Agree entirely that he's a second striker and not a midfielder at all though.
Agree entirely that he's a second striker and not a midfielder at all though.
Are you actually serious?! Literally every other squad in the PL would find a place for him (Alli, not fecking Lingard!)
Come on, youre having a laugh here.
Lingard would be lucky at the end of his career to be considered an average player. He is dire, an awful mistake to give him a contract over 100K.
Damn you have a great memory haha. I'll take that on the chin.
Based on those stats alone, Lingard cannot be compared with D.Alli. There is too much of a gulf in class.
But no doubt, when it comes to silly handshakes or dancing, Lingard should come into his own.
Why is Lingard being discussed??Different players and one is clearly better than the other fwiw
played and scored in cup finals?
Ok, so he is very good in that role
Been quoted by a few too many people to reply to all of you, so. Just to make it clear, I do not rate Lingard. I just don't rate Dele Alli either. I hope this thread is still up in 3 or 4 years time so we can see that Alli isn't what he is hyped up to be, but the likelihood is that won't happen as over time with more and more average performances the hype will die down and he will just be an average premier league player and no one will bother to post about him anymore. That's his level. Lingard level.
This thread is going to be like Kane's thread..
Lingard's just got more in his locker than Alli, there's no denying that.
more annoying noises and daft celebrations that is...
more annoying noises and daft celebrations that is...
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Surely a three match ban.
Among BringNaniBack's intellectual accomplishments are thinking Jo Cox's murder is fake due to the family not showing enough grief and believing the world is literally flat.
I think it is worth considering that anything above elementary discussions of how to acquire food, shelter and water is basically out of his league. He should never have been taught how to start a computer really.
I think it is worth considering that anything above elementary discussions of how to acquire food, shelter and water is basically out of his league. He should never have been taught how to start a computer really.
Don't knock it until you try it.
I do believe Alli here. There should be no punishment from the FA. He's apologised, nobody got hurt and everyone had a laugh.
when has that ever stopped the FA from pandering to the masses, whilst simultaneously being utterly out of tune with the wishes of the public?
Also, who are Spurs playing this weekend? The oppo fans are going to have a right laugh. Alli is going to be on the receiving end of more fingers than your mum.
Are some seriously arguing or debating whether or not Lingard is as good as Alli? That's ridiculous. And I'm in the minority who think Alli's a tad overrated. 
Ban him for life!!! Worse than Suarez...
Football is really going down the shitter if you get punished for sth like that.
Hate football at times total load of crap
By some you mean one poster whose previous thoughts were equally stupid.Are some seriously arguing or debating whether or not Lingard is as good as Alli? That's ridiculous. And I'm in the minority who think Alli's a tad overrated.
While Alli is definitely better than Lingard, I am of the opinion that he is way overrated. As a 10 or second striker or whatever role he is playing in spurs attack, his overall game is limited to me. He is excellent at finding spaces and finishing chances, but in terms of creativity and vision he is very much lacking.
Alli is better than Lingard of course but he is still just another overrated English player. If he was from any other country he wouldn't get as hyped as he does. He is nothing special really.
It is crazy that he is getting in trouble for that. Kids in the playground in primary school do that. It isn't offensive really, unless you are a little wuss who gets offended over everything.
It is crazy that he is getting in trouble for that. Kids in the playground in primary school do that. It isn't offensive really, unless you are a little wuss who gets offended over everything.
He's not dire though is he, he's average to good at best (currently). He's a solid squad player
Why shouldn't he get punished? He's representing England and it was live on tv. He's not on the playground. If Rooney gets punished for shouting into a camera then it's only right that Ali gets punished for flipping the bird on TV
Love how the 'Alli flips bird' thread turns into another Lingard bashathon
For what it's worth I found it funny and also liked his explanatory tweet.
Probably. It doesn't feel like the punishment fits the crime but there we are.
For what it's worth I found it funny and also liked his explanatory tweet.
Aye, I only started reading again on the last page or 2. But yeah, sometimes I'm never sure if people are just WUMming or if they're really that silly.
Oh boy, he's the flat earth/"NASA sceptic" guy...
Makes sense now.He scores goals. LOTS of goals. That's what he does that is special.
If there was a 20 year old Italian who scored 22 goals last season while not even playing as a striker, this entire forum would have fapped themselves into oblivion over him. Don't kid yourself.
He's great and all but he does play as a striker though. He kinda plays in the position Rooney played in 05/06 and 06/07 seasons where he played behind RvN and Saha respectively.
You're wasting your time mate - Lingard is RedCafe's scapegoat. "Dire"?! Hyperbole. Some of our fans are spoilt idiots at times.
As for Delle Ali, he is top class. Would have him at Utd yesterday.
I'm wondering whether people who use the word scapegoat to describe our players even know what it means.
Yes I know what scapegoat means.
Just because the entire forum would have 'fapped themselves' doesn't mean that has any effect on my opinion of him being over rated. I think M'bappe is over rated and he scored around 22 goals last season.
I said Alli was a good player I just think he is overrated.
Kevin Phillips is the last English player to win the Golden boot for all of the European leagues. He never got praised to be almost at world class levels, which Alli does get praised to be almost at world class levels.
Just because a player scores a decent amount of goals doesn't mean they are automatically an outstanding player. Many average English players scored a lot in England. James Beattie and Andy Johnson spring to mind.
Scapegoat: A person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.
He has scored a lot of goals for one season so far. Let's wait and see.
I do think he will continue to score goals as long as he is in your system because he is around truly brilliant players in Kane and Eriksen. His positioning is good and he has really good confidence for a youngster but I think what most people notice when they start watching him is that he is very average technically when taking the ball and manipulating it.
If he was United player, they'd be calling him a new Pele.
Alli is a terrific talent. Would love to have him at Chelsea. Acting like a twat at times but he's very young and in a spotlight constantly. He just needs to mature.