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Feel the same about Chelsea too
A lot of people say no one cares about them, and, correct me if I'm wrong, but it mainly comes from those outside of Manchester.
As a Mancunian, it definitely bothers me. No matter how they ended up getting to where they are, it still pains me to see how good they are. Do my fellow Mancs on here feel the same?
Is that before or after you lot joined together drinking and singing anti United/Manchester songs in the cup final of 86?I think a lot of your supporters feel as you do but won’t admit it. The whole oil money sugar daddy thing is a great excuse to use to mask the pain I guess. If it was Everton doing this to Liverpool I would be destroyed. Everton were the team when I was a kid and still are enemy number one. I don’t know ,maybe City aren’t seen as bitter rivals to united like Everton are to Liverpool. There’s just no way this can’t be bothering united supporters.
You were no marks back then. I’m going by my own experience in 6os and 70s into the 80s. It always Everton. Richest team. Crosstown rivals. united were not in the picture back then because you were that bad. It will always be Everton then united to me anyway.Is that before or after you lot joined together drinking and singing anti United/Manchester songs in the cup final of 86?
Incredible...
We were no marks yet you all celebrated together. Drinking together, singing anti United/Manchester songs. Some rivalry lad..You were no marks back then. I’m going by my own experience in 6os and 70s into the 80s. It always Everton. Richest team. Crosstown rivals. united were not in the picture back then because you were that bad. It will always be Everton then united to me anyway.
Just acknowledge the Merseyside derby is a crap rivalry and you're shared hatred of United eclipses the said derby.Ok. You’re a rival. Happy? Bigger since 90 when you were obsessed with catching us. So of course we were forced to have you as rivals and that’s here to stay . Ok?
Pal I grew up in Huyton. Again united meant nothing. Nothing at all except the odd cup game and Best. We were too busy winning leagues, playing in Europe and dealing with a dominant Everton. You came later. Don’t be so offended.Just acknowledge the Merseyside derby is a crap rivalry and you're shared hatred of United eclipses the said derby.
I mean why else would Liverpool fans and Everton fans drink together in pubs before the game and sing anti Manchester songs. Don't you think that's remarkable?
Rivals side by side singing anti Manchester songs.. Okaaaaaaaaaay then.
Exactly.This is more for me. I’m ambivalent to the financial strength of United and the big market capitalism grounds of it, and yet the despot whitewashing circus show of City and a few others is a steep step for football into even darker territory.
Not growing up a manc, I don’t have the logical rivalry with City, actually I quite liked them as a kid due to their pretty colours and cool first name (kids!), and I do get some of the bland feeling that I used to get from Guardiola’s machine-like football at Barca and Bayern, and of Sugar Daddy clubs like Abramovitch’s first Chelsea epoch. I just hate Liverpool a lot more, and that sort of irrational, unhealthy way.
But what makes me snap out of it is when I look at City and see that it works: A group of rich oppressors can take ridiculous amounts of money and buy a team - administrators and ball boys included - and dominate world football, just to get people to forget about their oppression, and no matter how exposed they are, loads of people actually range from ‘that’s fine’ to ‘oh well’. It actually makes me sad, when it doesn’t make me angry. May Liverpool beat them 10 out of 10 times until that project is rid, if it ever is.
I just can’t even bother with tribalism when the game is being damaged irreparably.I get your point but I think there’s a defeated acceptance to it because that’s just how the world works and not just in football. The Premier League allows for this shit to happen and that’s just how it is.
But football is about tribalism, stories, an identity and romanticism. City have none of it at all. Like someone said, they stole another clubs identity. They don't develop their own (bar Foden) they don’t have a story to tell. Other than “rich Arab buys football club and spends a gazillions pounds to make it good”. Their ground is soul-less no matter how much Gary Neville bigs it up. It’s just different with Liverpool. The 20–19 is important, we share so many similarities that the competitive feel with them outweighs anything about city, even then having facist owners. The concept of being a football fan is illogical after all…
I mean, Bayern have won the league nine years in a row and will probably go on to win their tenth consecutive title this spring. You can't look at the points tally at this exact moment and conclude that Bayern aren't dominating. They have an utter monopoly on the top of German football. There are very, very few leagues in the world where one team has won that many titles in a row in the modern era. Bayern's dominance over the Bundesliga is miles ahead of City's in the PL. City have yet to even win three in a row.Bayern is only ahead of Dortmund by 3 points now, City is dominating PL more than Bayern in Germany.
They are right, this is peak PL.What gets me is the media come out with statements like we've never seen 'good' football before Guardiola arrived. I thought English football was at its best circa 96-04, when players had more freedom to express themselves.
They've redefined how to win titles, but IMO I thought the football that previous champions played was good, if not better than City's style. Partly because there was a fragility, but there were players who were worth the admission fee alone.They are right, this is peak PL.
90s PL was clearly behind Serie A and La Liga, now you have Chelsea and Liverpool between the favorites to win UCL, despite not challenging for the league.
In the 90s, the likes of Blackburn,Aston Villa, Newcastle, and Leeds did nothing in Europe, always knocked out in CL group stage,even eliminated in the pre-qualifying games, and not going far in the UEFA Cup.
City dominates 2 teams (Chelsea and Liverpool) that are favorite to win the UCL.
It's incredible to think 97 points wasn't enough for them to win the titleCelebrating City for being a blocker to Liverpool is exactly what Sportswashing is. You’re attaching caveats and finding joy somewhere.
If City hadn’t been taken over, we may have picked up Kompany, or Yaya, or Aguero. And certainly been in the market for a while host of others.
At a crucial time in our rebuild, a team can along and said “Right, every player in your squad needs to be First-11 ready” that’s another barrier to us, post Fergie.
Liverpool managed to challenge for just two seasons. To do so they needed a truly brilliant team AND an unbelievable lack of key long term injuries. That’s unsustainable.
This is a key point that always gets missed. When we needed to do our rebuild the market got hugely inflated by City flashing the cash. In essence they stopped us being able to buy 6/7 players in a summer when we had lots of cash to spend. A £30m player went to £50m in one summer because of them.Celebrating City for being a blocker to Liverpool is exactly what Sportswashing is. You’re attaching caveats and finding joy somewhere.
If City hadn’t been taken over, we may have picked up Kompany, or Yaya, or Aguero. And certainly been in the market for a while host of others.
At a crucial time in our rebuild, a team can along and said “Right, every player in your squad needs to be First-11 ready” that’s another barrier to us, post Fergie.
Liverpool managed to challenge for just two seasons. To do so they needed a truly brilliant team AND an unbelievable lack of key long term injuries. That’s unsustainable.
They also raised the number of £50m players needed in a 30 man squad to be competitive.This is a key point that always gets missed. When we needed to do our rebuild the market got hugely inflated by City flashing the cash. In essence they stopped us being able to buy 6/7 players in a summer when we had lots of cash to spend. A £30m player went to £50m in one summer because of them.
PSG did that, not City. Plus LVG has the chance to buy players at the right price in our first failed rebuild. I think the rebuilds in itself are part of the issue. A club like ours should never have done one in the first place. We needed a retooling, but instead we decided to scrap everythingThey also raised the number of £50m players needed in a 30 man squad to be competitive.
All the while they spent the same off the pitch as anyone else did ON the pitch.
We’ve spent an obscene amount. Still less than them. But had to neglect the stadium to do so. They haven’t had to do one or the other. They did both.
Nothing they do is a gamble as a wasted £50m can be replaced by £150m with impunity.
Great point that. So many short memories here. Everyone loves to blame the Glazers, but “No value in the market” started the minute the Arabs took over City.Celebrating City for being a blocker to Liverpool is exactly what Sportswashing is. You’re attaching caveats and finding joy somewhere.
If City hadn’t been taken over, we may have picked up Kompany, or Yaya, or Aguero. And certainly been in the market for a while host of others.
At a crucial time in our rebuild, a team can along and said “Right, every player in your squad needs to be First-11 ready” that’s another barrier to us, post Fergie.
Liverpool managed to challenge for just two seasons. To do so they needed a truly brilliant team AND an unbelievable lack of key long term injuries. That’s unsustainable.
It was the same for me with Barca and Spain for me during their glory years'.The whole City experiment is cold. They're a clinical robotic football machine. It's not what football is about, there's so little to feel excited by. They're great because they should be, because everything has been finely tuned so they could be that way. There's no level of risk or danger about their existence.
Truth be told I don't even watch their matches unless it's against one of the better teams these days, there's just better things to do with your time.
I feel like their success has hurt once, and it was the obvious moment. Everything since is just a bizarre empty feeling. It doesn't register as a big deal. They're not the Man City I grew up knowing as our rivals, they're just some bizarre corporate invention. A total different entity.
I’m in an absolute minority (potentially the only one), but I’m pre-Abu Dhabi City fan who despises what we’ve become; the inevitability of outcome has killed any passion I had for the games, and the style in which the Pep-era success has been ‘achieved’ bores the life out of me.Their success means nothing. No other football fan has any respect for them. And they know it.
3/4 of the Champions League semi finalists last year were Oil subsidised.Feel the same about Chelsea too
You pulled out of the SL as you were getting less money than the big clubs. You would have also been unable to artificially inflate your revenues as you do now, as your books had to be available to scrutinise at all times. It was a wise move on your part as you would have been giving up your financial advantage over the rest of the league.The mass outrage towards the Super League baffled me; football is dead anyway, and that proposal was the only way to neutralise the petrodollar supremacy, and restore a degree of sporting authenticity to the top level of the game.
3/4 of the Champions League semi finalists last year were Oil subsidised.
The mass outrage towards the Super League baffled me; football is dead anyway, and that proposal was the only way to neutralise the petrodollar supremacy, and restore a degree of sporting authenticity to the top level of the game.
Nah, Fergie’s reign is the most dominant.As an opposition fan, it is easy to downplay all their success, but in all honesty, this period of success will go down in history as the period of most intense domination of the English game.
Whether we like it or not, history will judge them as the best PL team ever.
What is exciting/interesting about fragility?They've redefined how to win titles, but IMO I thought the football that previous champions played was good, if not better than City's style. Partly because there was a fragility, but there were players who were worth the admission fee alone.
That’s easy to say when they’re pelting so much cash about that wasting £50m on the likes of Mangala makes no difference whatsoever.Man City is nothing more than a vessel of a corrupt and ruthless regime.
They're still a far better run football club than we are, objectively speaking.
This is a philosophical question worth it's own thread...What is exciting/interesting about fragility?
(Edited)That’s easy to say when they’re pelting so much cash about that wasting £50m on the likes of Mangala makes no difference whatsoever.
Never mind the fact that their ridiculous spending has made the transfer market inordinately more difficult for us and every other legitimate club.
Same but Chelsea is a lot worse IMO, I don’t know how to explain their tactics but i feel they are very defensive and somehow win by creating few chances and sometimes by earning penalties.Feel the same about Chelsea too