Really was. I remember thinking, why are we signing a number 10 for midfield.
Deja vu this summer.
Donny Van De Beek | he stays!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Deja vu this summer.
Let's face it, we need to spend over half a billion to fix the squad, almost every position needs competition or a new signing. The issue's arise when you realise those tight bastards won't sanction anything that may impact their potential dividend payout.
I think he was worryingly from how early the links moved and negotiations started to be honest. I kind of see the profile on paper - my read of the situation is basically he can't get De Jong so wants someone mobile, technical who grafts but can also carry the ball from deep and has a good (although I am not sure it's that good with Mount) passing range. I do think Mount could start to come deeper, take the ball under pressure and be somewhat effective but the positional side of the game is the one it's so difficult to learn + it's a real risk from ETH to think he can coach that in a pre season.
Anyway this is a VdB thread, I actually think VdB staying will be a decent cup player for us. If there's ever a manager to get him back to what he was it is ETH and he's not a major issue for us as he'll be sold for peanuts and won't allow us to sign others (unlike McT or Maguire)
That's what the likely impasse is. They don't want an obligation, while we do.
Have we tried begging?
I feel like he would do very well in a league with more time and space on the ball. Also one less physically demanding. He has intelligence on and off the ball but he is a system player who is a level below the requirements to be a success in the premier league. A return to Holland would obviously be a good start to him, but I also think we could do very well in a league like Portugal or the Bundesliga.
His asset value is next to nothing, because it’s clear we have no intention to play him and he is completely surplus to requirements. He should be allowed to move for a nominal fee so he can get his career going again. Selling him for a low fee, say 7-10m euros with significant performance related addons and a sell on clause, seems the way forward.
He could also have value in a move for a potential target in Portugal or Germany as a trading chip. Either way, he is going to a mid table team in a lower league and we’ll have to take a massive haircut on any fee to offset the reduction in wages he’ll get. Even if he’s “only” on 100k a week here, for a midtable BL team, he can likely expect 40-50k a week. By reducing the fee by 2-3m euros and giving him a significant signing bonus, the buying club can keep their wage structure intact.
It’s essential we move him and Maguire on. Remnants of a failed era, and important in setting the new standard moving forwards. It also gives us the chance to bring in a new midfielder, which with the injury to Mainoo, we definitely need.
His asset value is next to nothing, because it’s clear we have no intention to play him and he is completely surplus to requirements. He should be allowed to move for a nominal fee so he can get his career going again. Selling him for a low fee, say 7-10m euros with significant performance related addons and a sell on clause, seems the way forward.
He could also have value in a move for a potential target in Portugal or Germany as a trading chip. Either way, he is going to a mid table team in a lower league and we’ll have to take a massive haircut on any fee to offset the reduction in wages he’ll get. Even if he’s “only” on 100k a week here, for a midtable BL team, he can likely expect 40-50k a week. By reducing the fee by 2-3m euros and giving him a significant signing bonus, the buying club can keep their wage structure intact.
It’s essential we move him and Maguire on. Remnants of a failed era, and important in setting the new standard moving forwards. It also gives us the chance to bring in a new midfielder, which with the injury to Mainoo, we definitely need.
Our present problem is that we've spent too much and spent badly.
We aren't Chelsea or City; we will get banned to the full extent if we breach any rules.
We can't really say it's due to a lack of spending though. We wasted the first billion and are now looking for another half a billion. No other club in world football is that rubbish at transfers and wages. I don't really want write of mount as he is young but it's grim as we already know what the player is like. I hope he can find a way to make that transfer worth it. Newcastle didn't take a minute to catch up with just a little spending.
We wasted a billion over 10 seasons and persisted with mistakes because we'd spent the money. Sunk cost fallacy. We've seen other clubs do the same but get rid of their mistakes and spend again. Spending money badly is the price you pay for not being organised and leaving your transfers up to an investment banker playing Football Manager.
Newcastle have bought well but they've moving players on much better than we are, we saw this when City first got bought. Bring some players in at your level to take you to the next then move them on quickly if it doesn't work or they aren't trying anymore. We're sitting here with VDB and Maguire still waiting for their chance to prove they're shit all over again. These players wouldn't still be at any of our rivals or Newcastle.
At bolded. So I can't say the problem is lack of spending. It's more bad management. It's just been wasted for the most part. I mean just look at exhibit A our massively expensive mega contract wingers Antony and Sancho. Its a really sad state of affairs. In any case you are right, we need loads more money for the title challenge. I just don't have any trust that it will be well spent this time either.Better ownership model and better people in the hierarchy at those clubs. United realistically could of got 70M for Mctomminay, Maguire and DVDB. The longer these players stay the more their value will deteriorate. It's really poor from the club, the Maguire situation is somewhat understandable.
Sounds like our issues are in selling as well as buying. In every chart we are at the top of gross and net spend bar one. So why do we need another 0.5 billion and not everyone else when we have already outspent them?
We have many of them
Mount would work fine but it relies on all the rest of the team knowing their roles and responsibilities in the team without thinking. Playing a high pressing transitional style without significant constant work from the front three will fall flat on it's arse.
I actually wouldn't trust the manager with that money as its his call who we go for generally speaking
Our club has a problem with selling players that no one wants on lower prices. They think somehow keeping them for another year, which blocks us from buying players we need, while their value plummets further, is a better idea. Feck me, this club will make me bald.
How are these even comparable?
Mount is a proven commodity in the PL for a top 6 club, versatile and scheme-proof.
VDV came from a much poorer league and is a system player bought for a system that didn't exist.
Possible mount had a system at Chelsea that suited him just like Mata did….we need to stop buying players that need 30 ducks to align before the can make a single tackle during a game….mount made zero on his debut…I mean…on the one day in your life you want to impress…you’re not playing well which happens to the best…but not even a tackle…he’ll come good I’m sure but that’s pathetic and lazy.
Mount has shone under several different managers, so that kind of puts the whole 'he's a system player' out of the window a bit.
Disgraceful signing of a nothing player who hasnt got one stand out quality.
Its a rare feat to be among this clubs worst decisions this last decade, but Donny manages it.
Its a rare feat to be among this clubs worst decisions this last decade, but Donny manages it.
That’s because over a 3 year period our owners do not put money into the club, they only take it out !
We don't need them to put money in, we need to not spend 10s of millions extra on players than they're actually worth.
Toys, say goodbye to pram.
It's my belief that it's a waste of a signing, it wasn't smart business. Sticking by that.
It should read "Donny van de Beek".
He is a fantastic player and will do well elsewhere.
He is a fantastic player and will do well elsewhere.
I thought this was about Donny for a second
I remember watching him in the Champions League thinking what a great player he was. Never been given a chance at United. I’ve always been interested to see him in Bruno’s position but injuries have got in his way.
The bolded is just not true. He has had chances, maybe not as many as he would have liked but that is part of playing for this club, you don't get an endless run of games to show something you have to show something pretty much right away. Donny has produced a number of performances in midfield where he has at best been invisible and at his worst has actually cost us games. He had half a season under his mentor last season before he was injured and even then he could not produce anything to suggest he is good enough for the PL let alone a team wanting to challenge for the title.
Imagine genuinely thinking this lad has been hard done by with chances, utter nonsense. Blokes been a ghost practically every time he’s stepped on the pitch, and that’s being kind.
Why is jac Talbot now all of a sudden reliable?
Pure and utter desperation.
lack of updates I guess, filling the void.
Jac Talbot is an awesome corny moniker, I'll admit.
Crazy isn't it.I thought this was about Donny for a second
What if he turns out to be a good addition, you'll stick your point still?
He played over 60 matches for United. The whole 'not been given a chance' narrative is ridiculous when it comes to VDB. Had his chance, not good enough, needs to move elsewhere ASAP to save his career.
Arsen Zakharyan is in San Sebastian finally. Probably official tomorrow. Real Sociedad president said that we will NOT sign another midfielder.
So VDB will NOT come to Real Sociedad, sorry. Seems that Real Sociedad wanted a loan to reduce risks, buy when United insisted in a transfer Real Sociedad decided that if we where going to do a transfer better get a jounger player.
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