Usually doesn't pan out like that. guys like Allardyce still grind their teeth that they didn't make the step up. He would need to move onto an Everton or Southampton, exceed expectations and MAYBE he will get thrown a bone. Unlikely though as the top 6 can import the best talent, so the ceiling for him are the teams directly above, unless he goes elsewhere and wins something. Chelsea manager (multiple league titles), Spurs manager (great job with Southampton before Spurs were challenging) City manager (multiple league titles), Arsenal manager (multiple titles and cups), Liverpool manager (multiple titles) United manager (multiple titles). Guys like Howe won't even enter the conversation for the big jobs. I believe Spurs have outgrown these managers also after Poch made them into true challengers.
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The key word being usually. Every top/very good manager starts somewhere. No one is pretending he's a superstar already. But he's been excellent so far.
So he's overrated because he's English, but Dyche isn't overrated because although he's English his name isn't as cool?
Not sure how you got that from me saying they are both at a similar level but only one gets treated like a golden boy in the media. They are either both the greatest manager ever or just promising young ones,or both just not as good as some people make outSo he's overrated because he's English, but Dyche isn't overrated because although he's English his name isn't as cool?
My point is that in my opinion, the people who are calling Howe overrated because of his nationality are wrong. I was pointing that it's weird to say Howe is overrated in the media due to nationality, yet Dyche isn't. I completely get that some find him overrated, but the English and overrated tag is just lazy, I want to hear why and posters that have elaborated I've generally agreed with, even though I think there are contextual caveats to some. I don't even see him being hyped up that much in the papers, but maybe I read different ones
It is strange because for almost an year I thought he was the best English manager or at least one with more advanced understanding of the game, even went 2 years ago to watch Sarri at Napoli and is a big fan of Guardiola.
But watching the highlights from their last game and the amount of goals they suffered in the last games, even knowing that Aké was important to the team, I want to see if he improves his teams performance at an defensive level, because if he wants to manage an bigger club like Arsenal he doesn't look prepared to me at this moment, who would Arsenal fans want, Allegri or Howe if Wenger leaves?
But watching the highlights from their last game and the amount of goals they suffered in the last games, even knowing that Aké was important to the team, I want to see if he improves his teams performance at an defensive level, because if he wants to manage an bigger club like Arsenal he doesn't look prepared to me at this moment, who would Arsenal fans want, Allegri or Howe if Wenger leaves?
From all the interviews I've ever seen of him, this is what I think will be good for him as a manager. He is always looking to take bits of styles and methodologies that he believes works well and incorporate it. The problem, I think he's going to find, is getting a clear vision and style that is his. There's a danger of him probably trying a bit too hard in that aspect. Usually better managers tend to have over arching themes and sometimes specific game plans, but I can't really see what he's trying to do with his team, apart from the cliche "play attractive football" - which is so vague it hurts.
I think he's definitely shown glimmers of being a top English manager and he's probably due a bit of a speed bump. I just hope he is given time!
Another defeat today, this time after being ahead. Only 1 win in their last 10, and 6 defeats in their last 7. They're gonna get dragged into the relegation battle if Howe doesn't turn things around soon.
It's mostly down to some shocking transfers, I've said it a few times on here and I can't stop myself from going on about it again because it's been shambles.
They still have the 37 year old GK Boruc who has a few howlers like today but hardly ever wins games for them.
Expensive signings Afobe, Gradel and Ibe are bench players. Saw Lewis Cook is declared fit but can't make the bench.
They've sold Matt Ritchie, lost Callum Wilson to injury and they don't seem to have any ability to replace them during the transfer windows.
They have some poor players in the starting line up, today the likes of Pugh and Surman who are at best Championship players.
Since they've been promoted there isn't a single signing Howe has made (excluding loans) that's impressed me. Well maybe getting Josh King for 1m.
They still have the 37 year old GK Boruc who has a few howlers like today but hardly ever wins games for them.
Expensive signings Afobe, Gradel and Ibe are bench players. Saw Lewis Cook is declared fit but can't make the bench.
They've sold Matt Ritchie, lost Callum Wilson to injury and they don't seem to have any ability to replace them during the transfer windows.
They have some poor players in the starting line up, today the likes of Pugh and Surman who are at best Championship players.
Since they've been promoted there isn't a single signing Howe has made (excluding loans) that's impressed me. Well maybe getting Josh King for 1m.
Well, it looks like it could be a tough season ahead for Howe. They have lost their first two games of the season and bar Ake and one or two others, their squad screams Championship. Jordan Ibe has been a disastrous signing and it's hard to see where the goals will come from bar King (if he can regain last seasons form) and Defoe.
No slight on Eddie if they go down. Staying up for three seasons with that squad is an achievement.
One of the worst managers in the transfer market in the division. I like Howe, I really do, but that squad of his should be considerably stronger given the money previously spent. That said, Begovic, Ake and Defoe should prove good business. But another season with Simon Francis in the back four just can't be justified.
Agreed! Francis is clearly not good enough. Defoe - ok to get him, why on earth is he not starting?
They might go down this season.
Game week 5 Bournemouth v Brighton will be the battle of the teams who have zero points
I hate his face. He looks like there's something really not right with him.
In fact he looks like that serial killer, Eddie Low, from GTA 4..
In fact he looks like that serial killer, Eddie Low, from GTA 4..
City have Stones, PL have Eddie Howe. Same shit different roles.
Even with the money they've spent? Always going to be a struggle but they've bought some amount of players that have made barely any impact.
He needs to get a few loans in and beef up that squad. Do you think he will go for Wheelchair again?
They've spent nearly £100m since they were promoted, there's no excuses for being in a relegation fight now. They still look so brittle at the back and without an in form King the goals have dried up too. I think Howe would get found out quickly at a bigger club, not that he's likely to move to one any time soon.
There's only so far you can take a team punching well above it's weight in front of 12,000 fans every other week. He's done a great job and I think had a pretty decent summer window. If he can keep them up again then his stock rises to almost unprecendented levels, very few would have given them any hope of surviving two, let alone three, seasons.
Same as was said in their previous seasons where they finished comfortably away from relegation.
They've spent about 80m in 3 seasons which is nothing at all. United have bought 2 players in less time that cost more than that. Gradel and Mings make up almost 1/4th of that and they've both been injured more than Shaw has.
From a brief look they've spent around £20m on Afobe and Grabban, £15m on Ibe and £5-10m on a few other signings who never play. You add it all up and it's a lot of investment for hardly any return, only the £20m on Ake looks like a sound investment.
Not that I think those are brilliant signings or anything but Villa paid 13m for bloody Ross McCormack not so long ago, you have to expect that you're going to overpay for British squad players these days. And the only way to be sure someone can adapt to English conditions is to buy somebody who's proven in them.
100m ain't what it used to be! If Bournemouth can survive another season they might have some real money to play with next time round.
I think he's proper shite, like. King's freak second half of the season really solved a lot of issues last year.
Howe will get sacked after a very bad start
Harry Redknapp will come in and make a glorious return to the PL
Rafa will walk at Newcastle around Xmas after no signings and poor form
Howe will go to Newcastle and become a cult hero
Harry Redknapp will come in and make a glorious return to the PL
Rafa will walk at Newcastle around Xmas after no signings and poor form
Howe will go to Newcastle and become a cult hero
I recall quite a few gunners wanting him to be Wenger's replacement last season.
Given his abysmal record against the top teams (especially against Chelsea and City), I'm surprised so many Arsenal fans would want him at their club.
Tuchel, Favre, or even Enrique would be more appropriate appointments.
Given his abysmal record against the top teams (especially against Chelsea and City), I'm surprised so many Arsenal fans would want him at their club.
Tuchel, Favre, or even Enrique would be more appropriate appointments.
Their transfer windows have been bad but that doesn't mean that they've spent much. Brighton, Huddersfield and Newcastle are all new and have spent 30-40m this season which is about half as much as Bournemouth have spent in three.
Defoe was not fit enough, do you even follow football??
Agree about Francis. His transfer looks weird too, Ibe is a stupid transfer
Don't rate him. Ibe at 15 million was always a terrible signing. He's worth about 1.5 million.
He's made some shocking signings, that's one of his flaws but nobody can deny he's a good manager. He has them playing some amazing football.
If I was him, I would get Taunzebe on loan. They looked like they could use him at the back.
If I was him, I would get Taunzebe on loan. They looked like they could use him at the back.
They've started poorly, but if your attacking threat relies on Afobe you have to accept your going to be in some trouble.
Midfield looks weak, likes of Franis, Pugh, Gosling, Surman just don't strike me as the right quality. They've been decent last few seasons but needs improving. Arter looks good, they're best player.
Could be a long season ahead
Midfield looks weak, likes of Franis, Pugh, Gosling, Surman just don't strike me as the right quality. They've been decent last few seasons but needs improving. Arter looks good, they're best player.
Could be a long season ahead
He's a good manager, I don't think many managers could get some of their players competing at Premier League level. His record in the transfer market is shocking though, Ibe has been a terrible signing. They'll be alright this season but I don't think they will be next season.
I am truly baffled by the criticism he is receiving. We are only two games into the season. The league cup is a lottery in the early rounds as every club makes multiple changes so you need a bit of luck that the teams gels on the night.
He got Bournemouth promoted twice on a shoe string budget and kept them in the top flight for two years. Since they got into the Premier League they have had much larger investment but every other club is doing the same. Most are spending substantially more than Bournemouth. Look at Watford, they are the third highest net spenders in the league this season. Even his transfers this season look shrewd. Ake, Defoe and Begovic are upgrades on their current squad.
The media have already got the knives out for Bilic, Howe and Benitez. It is ridiculous.
He got Bournemouth promoted twice on a shoe string budget and kept them in the top flight for two years. Since they got into the Premier League they have had much larger investment but every other club is doing the same. Most are spending substantially more than Bournemouth. Look at Watford, they are the third highest net spenders in the league this season. Even his transfers this season look shrewd. Ake, Defoe and Begovic are upgrades on their current squad.
The media have already got the knives out for Bilic, Howe and Benitez. It is ridiculous.
What has has done at Bournemouth, on the budget and considering some terrible luck with injuries, has been UNBELIEVABLE. The only way to try and comprehend it is by liberal use of upper case letters. EDDIE HOWE IS A TOP MANAGER! Ok, that's enough of that.
Think his signings this season have been brilliant too. As usual, a few bad results and people want to sack the boss. Crazy. They'll come good and for them, all things considered, 17th is a great season every year.
Think his signings this season have been brilliant too. As usual, a few bad results and people want to sack the boss. Crazy. They'll come good and for them, all things considered, 17th is a great season every year.
Some posters are expecting way too much of that Bournemouth squad. I think Howe is doing reasonably fine there.
Love how people mention their budget like they pay their players in Twix bars, not only now, even before they got promoted to PL. No one ever mentioned out of shadows support by that Russian cnut. Over hype manager and club while they conceding 100 goals per season and cant defend to save their life.
Media hyping Howe as manager in same way how they hyped Stones as football player, not only because they are English but also showed like those 2 are unique among millions of English players/managers. When in reality,even people hate him here, Pullis and Dyche are JM for Howe.
Media hyping Howe as manager in same way how they hyped Stones as football player, not only because they are English but also showed like those 2 are unique among millions of English players/managers. When in reality,even people hate him here, Pullis and Dyche are JM for Howe.
Howe thinks he was not fit enough, Defoe thinks different. Not so sure it was a great call to leave him out.
Both him and Dyche has done a good job in small clubs. It might be tricky for them to stay up this season though. We will see. The relegation battles are always tight and can go many ways. Hopefully they can step up against City and get a first win (fingers crossed)!
Struggling, ain't he?
His main problem seems to be bad luck with injuries and poor recruitment.
His main problem seems to be bad luck with injuries and poor recruitment.