Rolaholic
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So what type of midfielder is this kid? Never seen him play.
Don't get me wrong, I'm aboard the hype train - but need to know where to slot him in my imaginary starting 11
Basically, he's just an all-action midfielder, it's hard to put him in one box, he does everything so well. You can stick him next to Fred in your lineup.The 18-year old is not a pure Volante, given his abilities and role in the current Rennes system. The Angolan-born prodigy is incredibly versatile and is a mixture of the World Cup-winning French troika of Paul Pogba, Blaise Matuidi, and Ngolo Kante, capable of playing each of their roles. His playing style is also comparable to that of the former Real Madrid man Xabi Alonso and even the Dutch legend Frank Rijkaard himself.
Sancho is 73m, the other two around 50m, you'd expect. It's a big difference having to get rid of 1/2 players rather than 4/5 to raise the extra funds. Unless we sell a big name of course.Well we know it's going to be 80 for Sancho, Varane and Camavinga will be in the area of 50 each (as far as can be told) and then there are signing-on bonuses and such, so to me I think "in the area of 200 million" makes some sense. But it's just a question of how specific one wants to make the assumption.
Bolded part: Really? Do you remember where? The only figure I've seen is that the transfer budget was 85m, but I can't remember where I read that. Would be nice (and also more consistent with what seems to be going on) if that was right.
73m for Sancho is our current offer, unless I'm much mistaken? The final sum by all accounts will be higher than that. Signing-on bonuses comes out of the transfer funds. And there's no guarantee either Varane or Camavinga can be had for 50m, it may well be 54 or 57 or whatever. So to me it makes more sense to think in vaguer magnitudes rather than exact figures. But no matter, we have largely the same expectations.Sancho is 73m, the other two around 50m, you'd expect. It's a big difference having to get rid of 1/2 players rather than 4/5 to raise the extra funds. Unless we sell a big name of course.
ESPN were the ones to report 150m net early in the window.
I think with Renato all will depend on if he can get more consistency in his performances, so yeah not a 100% nailed on player but I think he is something our midfield is sorely missing, has a great drive forward, works hard defensively and can carry a ball quite well but he is a high risk player no doubt and as long as we have Bruno and vdB there is probably no place for him in the team.@NoLogo
I like Camavinga he's got great potential, but Sanches would be a huge flop here.
Rice is very overrated and for the money I don't think he's anywhere near worth it. Obviously we need another option with both Pogba and Matic potentially leaving soon, but I really don't think he's the answer.
This seems like a decent bit of analysis:To confuse you even more, this is how an article described him.
Basically, he's just an all-action midfielder, it's hard to put him in one box, he does everything so well. You can stick him next to Fred in your lineup.
From the little I've seen, he is very comfortable on the ball, can pick a pass but can also tackle like AWB. That might sound too good to be true but he really does have the potential to play almost any midfield role. He's seriously gifted.So what type of midfielder is this kid? Never seen him play.
Don't get me wrong, I'm aboard the hype train - but need to know where to slot him in my imaginary starting 11
I think with Renato all will depend on if he can get more consistency in his performances, so yeah not a 100% nailed on player but I think he is something our midfield is sorely missing, has a great drive forward, works hard defensively and can carry a ball quite well but he is a high risk player no doubt and as long as we have Bruno and vdB there is probably no place for him in the team.
Positioning comes with experience as you said, if he specialises in the deeper role and gets played there a lot he will build it up no doubt.I’m not sure why he can’t play as a DM? I look at his youtube highlights and he was tackling everywhere like AWB. Maybe his positioning needs more work and that’ll come with experience. I know he’s an all action midfielder but if we want him to solely protect the back four, i think he can do it really well but perhaps we will negate the rest of his abilities if we only play him as a DM, which is a waste of his talent
Sancho will be min 80 mill probably a bit more all told add ons etcSancho is 73m, the other two around 50m, you'd expect. It's a big difference having to get rid of 1/2 players rather than 4/5 to raise the extra funds. Unless we sell a big name of course.
ESPN were the ones to report 150m net early in the window.
He absolutely is. He's not £50m better than Mctominay, let alone £90m. Hope we never sign him.@NoLogo
Rice is very overrated and for the money I don't think he's anywhere near worth it. Obviously we need another option with both Pogba and Matic potentially leaving soon, but I really don't think he's the answer.
Would be great if we could land all 3 of them. Realistically that could cost us a lot though, no sure we could afford them all this summer.Camavinga and Varane, two Frenchmen with real talent, might well encourage Pogba to stay, imo.
Varane, Camavinga, Sancho, takes our team to another level.
More likeWould be great if we could land all 3 of them. Realistically that could cost us a lot though, no sure we could afford them all this summer.
- Sancho 90m
- Varane 50m?
- Camavinga 70m?
I don't think it should be a lot. Varane has no resale obviously but the other two are safe bets at those prices. We spent nothing last summer. I really hope we could make three moves like this without relying on offsets. I get your point but I just hope it isn't that way.More like
Sancho - 77m
Varane - 45m
Camavinga - 50m
It's still a lot but if we can offset by selling Dalot (15m), Lingard (25m), Pereira (5m), maybe even Bailly (20m)
Then we can offset a big chunk of it and still be in the clear. In any case, it's all pretty much academic as I don't think we're going to get Camavinga and I'm still a little unsure re Varane too.
Didn’t we get Tevez on loan that year as well?Exciting times. It seems like we are targeting the right sort of players finally
Camavinga, Jadon and Varane beats the summer of Nani/Anderson/Hargreaves in 07 for me, if we can do it
Don't get me wrong, he is promising but I can already see the signs that are similar with Pogba on the caf. Basically expecting too much from a kid who is very inconsistent still. Man Utd need ready made players, specially in midfield.@kouroux I'm surprised by how indifferent you seem to be toward the player, what is it that you're underwhelmed with in him?
I guess you watch Ligue 1, so are more used to these prodigies we get to hear about some way down the line - what is the regard for Camavinga in France as a whole (pundits and press)?
Who is he being compared to, next... Tigana? Or is that not a thing in France?
Don't get me wrong, he is promising but I can already see the signs that are similar with Pogba on the car. Basically expecting too much from a kid who is very inconsistent still. Man Utd need ready made players, specially in midfield.
We need someone who is physically mature, Camavinga is a baby and would be a long term project.
Those reports have been happening for months.And just like that the reports of Rennes looking for a huge fee come out.
That’s my view as somehow that’s had a casual interest in Rennes for the last decade or so. If we had a fully functional midfield he would be a brilliant buy, but with the current state of it, he won’t be one to come in and fix our shortcomings in the upcoming season.Don't get me wrong, he is promising but I can already see the signs that are similar with Pogba on the car. Basically expecting too much from a kid who is very inconsistent still. Man Utd need ready made players, specially in midfield.
We need someone who is physically mature, Camavinga is a baby and would be a long term project.
That's not the spirit, take that back!Isn't going to happen
Granted he is a prospect for the longer term, how do you rate him as a player and does he look like the real deal to you? I can understand your point of view from the pressure and personality aspects, but I am wondering what you think of him as an actual player as my impression there is that you're not particularly enamoured, which might be wrong of me.Don't get me wrong, he is promising but I can already see the signs that are similar with Pogba on the car. Basically expecting too much from a kid who is very inconsistent still. Man Utd need ready made players, specially in midfield.
We need someone who is physically mature, Camavinga is a baby and would be a long term project.
I don't see Ole buying someone that will immediately boot out McFred though. More like someone who can push them, rotate and improve in the future.That’s my view as somehow that’s had a casual interest in Rennes for the last decade or so. If we had a fully functional midfield he would be a brilliant buy, but with the current state of it, he won’t be one to come in and fix our shortcomings in the upcoming season.