Andersonson
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Hope not. We need to winChance for Donny to start?
Hope not. We need to winChance for Donny to start?
It is fecking ridiculous to play nation international game like the past during pandemic.
The problem like cross infection, quarantine etc cannot be solved during this period and the clubs have no voluntary to release the players longer for their quarantine to play just one/two national games monthly.
Why FIFA cannot coordinate with all league association to change the fixture. For example, to shorten the league fixture within 8~9 months, then play the national game within 1-2 months and take the rest/quarantine in 1 month.
It will be more effective to run the game during pandemic.
I'm not Fred's biggest fan, but this can also be argued the other way round. McT's best performances have come playing along side Fred and he's generally poor when partnered with someone else. Basically, the two of them need each other.
Or neither of them have another proper midfield player to partner them at the club?Which is the problem, neither are good enough on their own to do a job. The bottom line is, if either one play, they are very very inconsistent. Unfortunately, Matic is just as inconsistent so one of them has to play.
Or neither of them have another proper midfield player to partner them at the club?
Sky Sports News understands Liverpool believe that, due to the circumstances surrounding the ongoing Coronavirus pandemic and the quarantine measures players would have had to face upon their return to the UK had they travelled, FIFA has no foundation with which to stop the players from being selected by their clubs this weekend.
What a mess.
I really hope we have a better legal reasoning than "errr PANDEMIC" if we're gonna field Alisson and Fabinho without resolving the issue beforehand.
Legally, the clubs do not have a problem to fight this.I don't think the clubs have a way of out this one with that argument, I think it is mostly setting the battleground for the next international break
Clubs purposedly/intentionally/knwoingly broke the rules, it would be a joke if they don't get the punishment after the federations presented the complaint. It was surely a calculated risk, given that the players would have faced 14 days isolation if they had come, against a 5 day ban if they didn't...
I understand both the NTs and the clubs in this, hope a better arrangement is achieved for the next breaks.
The FAs are associated with FIFA, they are under FIFA rules, that's why football rules are mostly the same everywhere...Legally, the clubs do not have a problem to fight this.
There is no way that FIFA can actually enforce that in the UK.
The question is rather whether the FA would try to enforce possible punishments in the UK?
It's FIFA mate. As I mentioned the other day, they once got the Brazilian government to show up with the federal police at the Uruguay camp and deport Suarez because he bit a rival player. They didn't just suspend him and ban him from stadiums (???) and being present at the Uruguay training camp (????), they actually got him kicked out of the country altogether. In what planet that makes any sense?
They are used to having their way, and in this context it was bound to happen that the (different) Brazilian authorities would find a very public way to put their foot down and shaft them 5 mins into a much anticipated globally-viewed fixture.
What happens if Liverpool challenge that in a proper court in UK?The FAs are associated with FIFA, they are under FIFA rules, that's why football rules are mostly the same everywhere...
Of course the clubs can try to force FIFA's arm as much as possible, given they clearly have power, threaten with the superleague again or whatever... but the rules or legal ground is there, clubs must release the players, they didn't, they can't act surprised now
you mean outside football? Well I am not lawyer so I don't know, but I would say a court outside football has nothing to do in this case... I am not sure where are you going to... what would the grounds be?What happens if Liverpool challenge that in a proper court in UK?
The federal police showed up at the team hotel to instrument it. They removed his credentials, made him pack his bags on the spot, removed him from the hotel, and escorted him to an airport from which he flew back to Uruguay (yes, there's a plane waiting for him, one he clearly hadn't booked for).there is no source on suarez being deported. all i see is that fifa removed his credentials to go to stadium and team hotel
Liverpool believing something doesn't apply to them?
I will not have it!
Wages this, wages that.No worries. Let them go next time, just on charge wages for all games missed to the Brazilian FA and watch them pipe the feck down real quick.
No, but expect "Matic" to be a few feet shorter and have a very dark tan.Crap…so Fred can’t play?
I think pretty early on it was getting obvious that some, if not all countries were going to quarantine, Fifa should have planned for that.Wages this, wages that.
That's the deal, players get released for internationals, always has been. The only new thing is the government decided to extend player unavailability. Your government, your problem, just like with taxes. Clubs don't have a leg to stand on there.
Brazil triggering the 5-day punishment makes it all more controversial, but the entire business model behind FIFA and int'l competitions is anchored on players having to be available for certain tournos and their qualifiers.
Wages this, wages that.
That's the deal, players get released for internationals, always has been. The only new thing is the government decided to extend player unavailability. Your government, your problem, just like with taxes. Clubs don't have a leg to stand on there.
Brazil triggering the 5-day punishment makes it all more controversial, but the entire business model behind FIFA and int'l competitions is anchored on players having to be available for certain tournos and their qualifiers.
It's just the UK though, isn't it? Agree with the point anyway, they spent the whole 2020/21 season cancelling fixtures and it was clearly going to catch up with everyone at some point.I think pretty early on it was getting obvious that some, if not all countries were going to quarantine, Fifa should have planned for that.
Have you heard about any plans to scrap the CL, EL and Conference League? Why not?Asking hundreds of players and staff to do international round trips, repeatedly, is crazy.
Have you heard about any plans to scrap the CL, EL and Conference League? Why not?
In Conmebol's case, once the Copa in Colombia/Argentina was cancelled they could have had more qualifiers instead of setting one up in a rush in Brazil. Of course, no Conmebol FA would have voted that.
Of course it is. Oddly though, this week several clubs are going to visit or host foreign teams that didn't quarantine at all. Good thing we are hosting Young Boys and not PSG.If a government decides for national health reasons to quarantine that's their perogative.
They don't have the right to do so, FIFA statutes make it crystal clear.The clubs have decided not to release their players under the circumstances.
Probably. They will make a fuss about it, but it's indeed a choice of government quarantine or FIFA sanction. Can't have their cake and eat it.I think going forward they will still prefer to take the 5 day hit rather than the 14 day one.
We have the first secretaries of Foreign Affairs and Health both tasked with the Free Cavani mission. We actually know whose job (and political win/loss) it is to sort this outEveryone just trying to do whats best for themselves with no easy solutions if government wont change their policy.
Liverpool fans will look up Bolsanaro's old tweets to find something offensive he said and get him cancelledFree the Liverpool 3 or they’re will be printed T-shirt’s
Shorter distances but bigger numbers, more frequently and less efficiently (one game, not three). Maybe they should just scrap it and play the entire CL/EL/Conference inside a month. Some Covid-free country could host it all. Bizarre nobody suggested this, from what I read it's the solution to international football.Less of a travel around Europe, compared to going to the other part of the planet.
The clubs and UEFA follow rules laid down by the country. For example, last year's certain matches were played in neutral venues.
Easier for clubs to contain and monitor their players in one bubble.
Can't believe you are even making that comparison.