It is not at the back of 1 result though, to be trashed 3 times as Man United, within half a year is very concerning. Despite the good work that has be done. and what I am reading through your post is that results like that are quite acceptable to you. For me, not really, and that is fine. It does tell of what has happened to this club in the past 10 years.
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Moyes after seven months of playing shite football = he needs time
Van Gaal after seven months of playing frustrating football = he needs time
Mourinho in general = he needs time to clone Ibrahimovic.
Ole as caretaker improving the atmosphere = he is The One
Ole after seven months of shite football = he needs time (which was sort of true as we got better February onwards but still)
Ten Hag after totally transforming us into a team of fighters with a clear style, taking care of the big egos in the dressing room that have plagued us for years, but still rough around the edges because it's his first season and our squad is still weaker than teams like City and Liverpool, doesn't fully trust his squad to rotate around a busy schedule = take him round back and have him shot.
Daily Mail briefing that many staff and players want the captaincy stripped from Bruno and were annoyed by his behavior yesterday.
As usual, everyone tearing into the team... That's just how it goes.
1 week ago it was 1000 articles on how ETH has got united back.
Now it's rumors/speculation abt Bruno not being good enough captain. More such shit will keep being posted. "Antony singled out by teammates for not tacking back". "Privately some players are questioning why WW is getting so much game time" "Sancho upset at not getting gametime" etc etc.
OK it's unacceptable to you. Now what? What should we do today?
No, looks like you are the ones to go to some extremes and make a generalized statement. The 7-0 isn't happening again. The xG was just under 3 and they scored 7. We were pretty much in the game till 50th minute. We collapsed in 40 mins. It was just one of those days where they got everything right and we got everything wrong.
Point is, there would be set backs and we just can't bring this sacking thing everytime we have a setback.
Are we improving? Are we doing any better than last year ? Are we on track for a better point tally than last year ? Are we winning any cup ?
Those things should be our barometer and not a fecking loss against Liverpool.
Exactly. I dont see how one can reach the conclusion that ETH wont be one of the best managers just based on one game.
I don't even know how to reply to this? The set-up is comprised of individuals. If you only do X for Z amount of time and end up holding 7 and the end of the day - then your assessment has to conclude that your set-up failed. It's not even an isolated hammering either. 3 of 10 of our biggest ever prem losses are from this season.
The way some folk are going on about this result makes me wonder what they're like when something goes wrong in their lives. For example; if their boiler stops working do they calmly call someone to fix it, or do they run around screaming "we're all gonna die" and then set fire to the house?
I'm really not happy about the result against Liverpool. I'm aware that some of that was down to the tactics of the manager, but I'm not anywhere close to saying he's not the right manager for us!
Those saying that the best managers never lose by this kind of margin should check out a certain Sir Alex Ferguson and Google how many 5 or more goal thrashings he took as manager of United.
Those saying that the best managers never lose by this kind of margin should check out a certain Sir Alex Ferguson and Google how many 5 or more goal thrashings he took as manager of United.
3 really?
I don't even know how to reply to this? The set-up is comprised of individuals. If you only do X for Z amount of time and end up holding 7 and the end of the day - then your assessment has to conclude that your set-up failed. It's not even an isolated hammering either. 3 of 10 of our biggest ever prem losses are from this season.
Are there really some people calling for EtH's sacking? 
FFS. Should have taken my own advice last night and just taken a week off the Caf.
FFS. Should have taken my own advice last night and just taken a week off the Caf.
This is pointless pedantry at its finest. It was a miserable 45 minutes but 45 minutes all the same. It doesn’t change the fact that ETH has done an excellent job with us so far. Nor does it mean that some of our best performers haven’t had high quality seasons. You don’t invest so much in a plan most seemingly are in agreement with, because of a bump in the road.
And I don’t think many are suggesting we blindly hang on to anything. However considering it’s his first year and that too following on from our worst ever PL season and arguably most disliked team too, he’s done a fantastic job. Whether we struggle over the next 12 months under him or whatever failings some of you seem to desire, as of now he’s been doing a great job and has rightfully got a lot of credit and support.
What does standards mean?
You talking like you a winner and Hag ain't, like he is ok about the hammering.
Can't really see much he could have done that 2nd half outside of subs, but even when he made them they still scored. That is on the players this time
That’s not true. The table for some reason said since 2000 to make it sound worse. We had trashing in the 90s as well.
I don't even know how to reply to this? The set-up is comprised of individuals. If you only do X for Z amount of time and end up holding 7 and the end of the day - then your assessment has to conclude that your set-up failed. It's not even an isolated hammering either. 3 of 10 of our biggest ever prem losses are from this season.
I don't even know how to reply to this? The set-up is comprised of individuals. If you only do X for Z amount of time and end up holding 7 and the end of the day - then your assessment has to conclude that your set-up failed. It's not even an isolated hammering either. 3 of 10 of our biggest ever prem losses are from this season.
If you didn’t know how then you shouldn’t have replied. The set up was fine since it was working. A few questionable decisions - some which worked recently too. But ETH can’t fix the entire teams fragilies in 7 months. Yes he’s been superb thus far but he’s not a miracle worker.I don't understand your tone. My entire point was that I feel mixed, it is clear that everyone can see that EtH has done a very good job. At the same time though, for me this; "ah, it is just one game, big deal" approach, is also strange to me. For me, that is downplaying it.
Regardless of the job he's done so far, if there were any consequences for him (just as their might be for certain players), I wouldn't be shocked personally for a club of this size and magnitude.
They conceded 7 against Aston Villa a couple of years ago.
He's been hammered 3 times now, 2 of them by our biggest rivals.
So what you saying here, we should maybe sack him, a manager on a 70+% win record we haven't seen in years, to get in another manager who not win close to as much games, but will prob get tanked 2-0/3-0 in them smashing but win less across the board, and prob out of all competitions at this stage.
I'm not sure if you are srs
What generalized statement did I make? You could have said earlier this season that we wouldn't concede 6 again after City, or did you know that we would a few months later? Maybe you're some wizard.
Your point you name after, is a reasonable way of thinking. Personally, I think differently, to me you can't brush this as just a "setback" or 'a fecking loss against Liverpool' to use your words. Have enough of these "setbacks" and it wouldn't surprise me that there will be consequences. That match was a disgrace, and we have had a few of those this seasons, at one point, sooner rather than later, that must end.
Because it makes no sense. This is kinda bizarre, not going to lie
. We lost 7-0 and man are on Redcafe saying the set-up was fine because it was working up until it didn't and we lost 7-0.There's fixing the entire team's frailties and there's not having our biggest defeat in like 92 years? There's also not having 3 of our biggest defeat on record since 2000. There's a lot of ground between that and "miracle worker"
Please do not become a cult.
Nice try, wrong.
None of this makes any sense whatsoever. So we just hired a manager who has to anybody who has a clue (you included) done very a good job. But at the same time you want fans to rage more. Okay, at who? Should we start burning effigies of a manage who has done a very good job? And what reprocessions? You can’t sack or start questioning the place or authority of a manager who is doing a very good job.
Seems that you just aren’t happy that some are responding maturely and want us to be a “big” club. As if doing moronic things like sacking people who are doing a very good job makes problems go away. Let’s sell Rashford, Casemiro and Martinez too. Because we have to prove we do “big” club things.
This place, sometimes.
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I’m pretty sure at the start of the season, if you’d asked the fans whether they’d take 1 loss and 1 win vs Liverpool and 1 loss and 1 win vs Man City, 90% of fans would have said yes, absolutely given the previous season.
‘Of course, the manner of the losses is concerning, but Ten Hag has ticked all the other boxes. Seriously, let’s just call this a one-off. I can name several bad defeats under SAF, and he was brilliant at responding. Let’s see what happens and how we respond.
‘Of course, the manner of the losses is concerning, but Ten Hag has ticked all the other boxes. Seriously, let’s just call this a one-off. I can name several bad defeats under SAF, and he was brilliant at responding. Let’s see what happens and how we respond.
Unfortunately, that was covid and as much as I hate excuses, it's different with a crowd.
We also got done 6-1 at home by Spuds of all teams.
You're making up so much stuff, there's no point going back and forth. Cheers.
Exactly, pundits all day have been pretending this is the first time a big team up near top of table got hit for 7.
It's one game, it's wasn't nice but it's one game, could win next 4 in league and it would look like 12 points out of 15, it be forgotten about.
Anyone clinging to it rest of season is a fanny in my opinion. Even some ladz claiming 2 more cups won't mask it, insane talk if you ask me.
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Let me simplify this - you can lose a game due to A, B, C or D. That you lost doesn’t mean it was B.Because it makes no sense. This is kinda bizarre, not going to lie
There's fixing the entire team's frailties and there's not having our biggest defeat in like 92 years? There's also not having 3 of our biggest defeat on record since 2000. There's a lot of ground between that and "miracle worker"
Please do not become a cult.
And yea it was biggest lost in decades. Now what? It doesn’t change the fact that he’s done a superb job. His job is literally to do his job well.That’s not cultish behaviour but just being a grown up.
Results like that ARE acceptable when you consider the context which is that this is his first year where he still didn't get even close to number of players he needs and wants. And he is overachieving with what he has.
But let's ignore the context and just ask for his sack like petulant children.
FFS the man has literally dragged us out of the gutter and in his first season battling on 4 fronts to win trophies with a team that still carries the scars of previous managers, yesterday was 45 minutes of absolute madness but he is very much on the right track.
Anybody wanting him sacked needs there fecking heads checked.
It always happens. All the focus is on us losing, and not Liverpool winning. Being the biggest club in the world has its side effects.
Calm and Zen ten Hag probably played Orinoco Flow after full time.
Get rid!
Get rid!
My concern is he will (rightly) slate them but publically at least he is not acknowledging fatigue being a factor.
This place needs a cull, a fecking big one mate.Are there really some people calling for EtH's sacking?
FFS. Should have taken my own advice last night and just taken a week off the Caf.
As well balanced as it is.. How many reality checks do we need? It’s not like this is the first one. Fans like to blame the manager. But something is wrong here. How can heads drop like this? With a bit of humour, I would like to know what he said at half time. But this is not on ETH, I’m just as sure of it, that those beatings was not on Ole.
No one is asking for his sack really, nor am I, so I don't understand comments like that. I don't think that result is acceptable at all, and surely not to be blamed on a lack of signings or it being his first year. I think that is just making excuses. He's got basically more to spend than any other manager on a team that already had some top class players like Rashford, Bruno, Varane, Shaw. He's done a very good job, and is so much better than the previous dross we have had for managers, but there should be no excuses.
There should be no excuse for such a match, neither our tough game schedule, just can't blame it on that personally.
Yes, we were set-up so correctly we competed for 45 minutes and conceded 7. Amazing
But who's saying he hasn't done a good job, overall? Certainly not me:
Now, what? Get better, and ensure we stop getting hammered/don't get hammered?
The same way he demands more from his players, more should be demanded of him - I'm surprised saying a Manchester United team shouldn't be getting hammered three times in the same season, certainly not losing 7-0 to their biggest rivals, is a controversial opinion, all because the manager has done well so far. That's cultish in my eyes.
I'll just say we've got different understandings of what being a grown-up means. You got defensive for no reason and started arguing against positions that haven't been taken and just overall not even making sense. It's OK. Ten Hag is a good manager. The buck stops with him though, and he deserves criticism for one of our worst league results ever. Be at peace.
and he’s also beaten those 2 rivals.
Essentially this, everyone is free to disagree but it is weird to act as if this is complete nonsense as well.Yes, we were set-up so correctly we competed for 45 minutes and conceded 7. Amazing
But who's saying he hasn't done a good job, overall? Certainly not me:
Now, what? Get better, and ensure we stop getting hammered/don't get hammered?
The same way he demands more from his players, more should be demanded of him - I'm surprised saying a Manchester United team shouldn't be getting hammered three times in the same season, certainly not losing 7-0 to their biggest rivals, is a controversial opinion, all because the manager has done well so far. That's cultish in my eyes.
I'll just say we've got different understandings of what being a grown-up means. You got defensive for no reason and started arguing against positions that haven't been taken and just overall not even making sense. It's OK. Ten Hag is a good manager. The buck stops with him though, and he deserves criticism for one of our worst league results ever. Be at peace.
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