Tom Van Persie
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I think this is why ETH is signing so many players that he knows. The scouts can assemble all the databases in the world, and present players with the right technical profile, but getting info on their characters, histories and natures and whether they meet ETH's criteria there, must be a much more laborious process.Should have been sold this season. Appalling last season and this season won’t be any better.
How come we sign entitled players with questionable mentality while City buys players that are winners? What are scouts doing? We chased this guy for 2 years and ever since he has come here, he has shown no courage and commitment.
Only players with any kind of elite mentality in the squad are Martinez, Casamiro, Varane, Bruno. Says a lot about us. Hopefully the new players Arambat, Hojlund are better. Garnacho seems to be on the right path and with a couple of new additions, we may finally turn this malaise around. One can only hope.
"Player looks good in friendly warm up games where results don't matter" sure isn't the recommendation some people seem to think!Sancho always seems to play well in preseason preparations. It is nothing new just as how he seems not being able to maintain his form into the regular seasons.
You Ronaldo acolytes are even worse than the Mourinho ones.Ronaldo's baby daughter was ill in the hospital during pre season which Ronaldo was in distress attending to every day and this was just three months after his newborn son had passed. Ten Hag treated him like a piece of meat who had to prove himself when he returned, and apparently didn't even believe Ronaldo. He was humiliated
Ronaldo felt the only way to let people know how he was being mistreated was to speak out. And he exposed so many issues within the club which we are still reeling from to this day. Namely, the infrastructure, ten hag's tactics which Ronaldo had reservations about and the questionable training he was putting the players through. Ever wonder why our players are unfit and picking up so many injuries?
Listen to what Ronaldo said. This man played under peak Mourinho, Sir Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelloti and never had these type of issues with them until he crossed paths with Ten hag, who has now treated players like De Gea, Sancho and Ronaldo like cattle. When Ronaldo speaks, you listen.
Open your eyes There's a common denominator here and it ain't f-king Christiano Ronaldo. Ten hag destroyed his career and he's now on his way to destroying both sancho and pellestri's career due to nepotism and having favourites. Don't be surprised when the rest of the players get fed up and then when Brighton run us over and you see an array of players not bothering to bust a gut to track back for the manager. You will know why
If Ten Hag wants to remedy this before things spiral out of control, he will get a sense of himself and be on the phone to sancho explaining why he felt the need to publicly oust him after we got beat by Arsenal
It's a good point about the treatment he was given last season. I had almost forgotten that. Erik ten Hag handled that really well, and kept it as quiet as possible to give Sancho and time to recover. Then he comes back with this crap, after a really mild criticism of his training effort.
Flaming hot garbage.Ronaldo's baby daughter was ill in the hospital during pre season which Ronaldo was in distress attending to every day and this was just three months after his newborn son had passed. Ten Hag treated him like a piece of meat who had to prove himself when he returned, and apparently didn't even believe Ronaldo. He was humiliated
Ronaldo felt the only way to let people know how he was being mistreated was to speak out. And he exposed so many issues within the club which we are still reeling from to this day. Namely, the infrastructure, ten hag's tactics which Ronaldo had reservations about and the questionable training he was putting the players through. Ever wonder why our players are unfit and picking up so many injuries?
Listen to what Ronaldo said. This man played under peak Mourinho, Sir Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelloti and never had these type of issues with them until he crossed paths with Ten hag, who has now treated players like De Gea, Sancho and Ronaldo like cattle. When Ronaldo speaks, you listen.
Open your eyes There's a common denominator here and it ain't f-king Christiano Ronaldo. Ten hag destroyed his career and he's now on his way to destroying both sancho and pellestri's career due to nepotism and having favourites. Don't be surprised when the rest of the players get fed up and then when Brighton run us over and you see an array of players not bothering to bust a gut to track back for the manager. You will know why
If Ten Hag wants to remedy this before things spiral out of control, he will get a sense of himself and be on the phone to sancho explaining why he felt the need to publicly oust him after we got beat by Arsenal
Personally don't think he should play for the club again.As I've said I would fully support ten Hag and the club if they decided to drop Sancho from the first team squad. That statement he put out was fecking embarrassing and he still has it pinned on his twitter account ffs.
Ten Hag could've just say anything else other than that. He didn't even have to answer that question.But he didn't hang him out to dry, when asked a question, he just said he wasn't selected because his training didn't warrant it. That's it. Straight answer, move on.
All the stuff about him being scapegoated for the result, all that shite that got used in clickbait and damning articles, came from Sancho. That is completely out of order. Where's the taking of responsibility? Players have a responsibility too.
If he doesn't apologise, Sancho has to go. But I am sure ETH has now concluded he's just too weak to play for us.
Ye, go post your fan flick elsewhere.Ronaldo's baby daughter was ill in the hospital during pre season which Ronaldo was in distress attending to every day and this was just three months after his newborn son had passed. Ten Hag treated him like a piece of meat who had to prove himself when he returned, and apparently didn't even believe Ronaldo. He was humiliated
Ronaldo felt the only way to let people know how he was being mistreated was to speak out. And he exposed so many issues within the club which we are still reeling from to this day. Namely, the infrastructure, ten hag's tactics which Ronaldo had reservations about and the questionable training he was putting the players through. Ever wonder why our players are unfit and picking up so many injuries?
Listen to what Ronaldo said. This man played under peak Mourinho, Sir Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelloti and never had these type of issues with them until he crossed paths with Ten hag, who has now treated players like De Gea, Sancho and Ronaldo like cattle. When Ronaldo speaks, you listen.
Open your eyes There's a common denominator here and it ain't f-king Christiano Ronaldo. Ten hag destroyed his career and he's now on his way to destroying both sancho and pellestri's career due to nepotism and having favourites. Don't be surprised when the rest of the players get fed up and then when Brighton run us over and you see an array of players not bothering to bust a gut to track back for the manager. You will know why
If Ten Hag wants to remedy this before things spiral out of control, he will get a sense of himself and be on the phone to sancho explaining why he felt the need to publicly oust him after we got beat by Arsenal
Nope. If ETH lies and says Sancho had an injury or illness that prevented him from playing, Sancho and his team could come out and say that it's a lie, which would lead to further drama. If ETH refuses to answer the question, the media begins a wild speculation about the reasons, which probably leads to days of media coverage about a potential fall-out or whatever. Instead ETH comes out and tells the truth, and all Sancho has to do is say something like, 'Yeah, haven't been at my best this week. I will strive to improve to get back in the team to help us win games', and that ends the story right there. He didn't do that.Ten Hag could've just say anything else other than that. He didn't even have to answer that question.
His response to that question started everything else.
Meh, I don't these sorts of character traits should be scrutinised by the media. Players don't have to be these larger than life characters to be successful on the pitch.
Took at least 15 minutes out of your day to spew nonsense on the internet.Ronaldo's baby daughter was ill in the hospital during pre season which Ronaldo was in distress attending to every day and this was just three months after his newborn son had passed. Ten Hag treated him like a piece of meat who had to prove himself when he returned, and apparently didn't even believe Ronaldo. He was humiliated
Ronaldo felt the only way to let people know how he was being mistreated was to speak out. And he exposed so many issues within the club which we are still reeling from to this day. Namely, the infrastructure, ten hag's tactics which Ronaldo had reservations about and the questionable training he was putting the players through. Ever wonder why our players are unfit and picking up so many injuries?
Listen to what Ronaldo said. This man played under peak Mourinho, Sir Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelloti and never had these type of issues with them until he crossed paths with Ten hag, who has now treated players like De Gea, Sancho and Ronaldo like cattle. When Ronaldo speaks, you listen.
Open your eyes There's a common denominator here and it ain't f-king Christiano Ronaldo. Ten hag destroyed his career and he's now on his way to destroying both sancho and pellestri's career due to nepotism and having favourites. Don't be surprised when the rest of the players get fed up and then when Brighton run us over and you see an array of players not bothering to bust a gut to track back for the manager. You will know why
If Ten Hag wants to remedy this before things spiral out of control, he will get a sense of himself and be on the phone to sancho explaining why he felt the need to publicly oust him after we got beat by Arsenal
Piers. Is that you?Ronaldo's baby daughter was ill in the hospital during pre season which Ronaldo was in distress attending to every day and this was just three months after his newborn son had passed. Ten Hag treated him like a piece of meat who had to prove himself when he returned, and apparently didn't even believe Ronaldo. He was humiliated
Ronaldo felt the only way to let people know how he was being mistreated was to speak out. And he exposed so many issues within the club which we are still reeling from to this day. Namely, the infrastructure, ten hag's tactics which Ronaldo had reservations about and the questionable training he was putting the players through. Ever wonder why our players are unfit and picking up so many injuries?
Listen to what Ronaldo said. This man played under peak Mourinho, Sir Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelloti and never had these type of issues with them until he crossed paths with Ten hag, who has now treated players like De Gea, Sancho and Ronaldo like cattle. When Ronaldo speaks, you listen.
Open your eyes There's a common denominator here and it ain't f-king Christiano Ronaldo. Ten hag destroyed his career and he's now on his way to destroying both sancho and pellestri's career due to nepotism and having favourites. Don't be surprised when the rest of the players get fed up and then when Brighton run us over and you see an array of players not bothering to bust a gut to track back for the manager. You will know why
If Ten Hag wants to remedy this before things spiral out of control, he will get a sense of himself and be on the phone to sancho explaining why he felt the need to publicly oust him after we got beat by Arsenal
I said it at the time. You don't send one of your most expensive players off to get 'fit' when you're playing 3 games a week in all competitions. However you can 'ban' him for a set amount of time and tell him to get his shit together. This sends a message to the rest of the players that if you feck around there will be consequences.All this coming out makes you wonder if there was more to the time off he had last season.
I think the point their making is Sancho doesn't have the personality to succeed at United. He's too soft and too scared of scrutiny.Meh, I don't these sorts of character traits should be scrutinised by the media. Players don't have to be these larger than life characters to be successful on the pitch.
What they do need is work ethic and a winning mentality, which he clearly doesn't have either.
If someone is leaking this to drum up support for the manager, then they may want to reconsider.
It was obvious that there was a risk regarding his character as he had some issues in Dortmund as well. But ultimately there he usually got it right, apart from short spells or moments, and he actually was a leading figure in that team, working hard and playing well.It’s not a good look for Sancho. Everything points at him not having the mentality needed to succeed here. What I don’t get is why this wasn’t flagged before we spent so much on him.
Do you sit in your bedroom with a dart board with Ten Hag on it ? Load of Nonsense from start to finish.Ronaldo's baby daughter was ill in the hospital during pre season which Ronaldo was in distress attending to every day and this was just three months after his newborn son had passed. Ten Hag treated him like a piece of meat who had to prove himself when he returned, and apparently didn't even believe Ronaldo. He was humiliated
Ronaldo felt the only way to let people know how he was being mistreated was to speak out. And he exposed so many issues within the club which we are still reeling from to this day. Namely, the infrastructure, ten hag's tactics which Ronaldo had reservations about and the questionable training he was putting the players through. Ever wonder why our players are unfit and picking up so many injuries?
Listen to what Ronaldo said. This man played under peak Mourinho, Sir Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelloti and never had these type of issues with them until he crossed paths with Ten hag, who has now treated players like De Gea, Sancho and Ronaldo like cattle. When Ronaldo speaks, you listen.
Open your eyes There's a common denominator here and it ain't f-king Christiano Ronaldo. Ten hag destroyed his career and he's now on his way to destroying both sancho and pellestri's career due to nepotism and having favourites. Don't be surprised when the rest of the players get fed up and then when Brighton run us over and you see an array of players not bothering to bust a gut to track back for the manager. You will know why
If Ten Hag wants to remedy this before things spiral out of control, he will get a sense of himself and be on the phone to sancho explaining why he felt the need to publicly oust him after we got beat by Arsenal
You can save your breath on that point. I did listen to what Ronaldo said, and in my view that was by and large a load of crap, from a player who had become a liability for his team, didn't want to take responsibility for his performances and wasn't prepared to adapt his game. And who responded to that by making disloyal, unprofessional and self-serving public statements that made it impossible for the club to keep him around. His behavior was unacceptable, his performances in that last season equally so, and that was all good riddance. If anything, ETH would have been justified in calling him out sooner, and playing him more rarely than he did. To try to construct a pattern of "nepotism" and mistreatment on that basis is totally absurd. And that's as far as I'm going into the Ronaldo debate, which doesn't need a rehash in this thread.Ronaldo's baby daughter was ill in the hospital during pre season which Ronaldo was in distress attending to every day and this was just three months after his newborn son had passed. Ten Hag treated him like a piece of meat who had to prove himself when he returned, and apparently didn't even believe Ronaldo. He was humiliated
Ronaldo felt the only way to let people know how he was being mistreated was to speak out. And he exposed so many issues within the club which we are still reeling from to this day. Namely, the infrastructure, ten hag's tactics which Ronaldo had reservations about and the questionable training he was putting the players through. Ever wonder why our players are unfit and picking up so many injuries?
Listen to what Ronaldo said. This man played under peak Mourinho, Sir Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelloti and never had these type of issues with them until he crossed paths with Ten hag, who has now treated players like De Gea, Sancho and Ronaldo like cattle. When Ronaldo speaks, you listen.
Open your eyes There's a common denominator here and it ain't f-king Christiano Ronaldo. Ten hag destroyed his career and he's now on his way to destroying both sancho and pellestri's career due to nepotism and having favourites. Don't be surprised when the rest of the players get fed up and then when Brighton run us over and you see an array of players not bothering to bust a gut to track back for the manager. You will know why
If Ten Hag wants to remedy this before things spiral out of control, he will get a sense of himself and be on the phone to sancho explaining why he felt the need to publicly oust him after we got beat by Arsenal
AbsolutelyImagine actually typing this out with a straight face.
"nothing men" you mean. Let's face it, we wouldn't have signed any of these players if we didn't have a free run at them. We were so incompetent at signing good players under Woodward that unless no one else wanted them we'd never get them.He'll be gone in January...the briefings against him have started and he only has himself to blame. Another bad recruitment decision to lavish money on a spoilt brat. The public comments from EtH were clearly a final challenge to see how he would respond and he has failed the test.
Add him to the pile of "nearly men" signed by Woodward and the glazers
It is a load of bollocks to be honest. Scholes was introverted, a bit weird, never spoke to the press etc. There were no articles about him potentially having mental issues or whatever because he was hard working and delivered on the pitch where it matters.Meh, I don't these sorts of character traits should be scrutinised by the media. Players don't have to be these larger than life characters to be successful on the pitch.
What they do need is work ethic and a winning mentality, which he clearly doesn't have either.
instead of now, where we know clearly there's a fall out?Nope. If ETH lies and says Sancho had an injury or illness that prevented him from playing, Sancho and his team could come out and say that it's a lie, which would lead to further drama. If ETH refuses to answer the question, the media begins a wild speculation about the reasons, which probably leads to days of media coverage about a potential fall-out or whatever. Instead ETH comes out and tells the truth, and all Sancho has to do is say something like, 'Yeah, haven't been at my best this week. I will strive to improve to get back in the team to help us win games', and that ends the story right there. He didn't do that.
Sancho is at fault. Not ETH.
I think they're getting across a mental health picture, not using it as a stick to beat him with. And if that's the plan, it's certainly working on me. If he has those challenges then ETH going public will have been completely the wrong approach. I'd still be surprised if ETH wouldn't recognise the difference between being an atypical personality (to use a broad term, even if it's a bit of a nonsense) and just being unmotivated/selfish/lazy.If someone is leaking this to drum up support for the manager, then they may want to reconsider.
It doesn't change the fact, that when asked, ETH did the right thing in telling the truth. There is a fall out because of Sancho, not ETH.instead of now, where we know clearly there's a fall out?
I mean Sancho is stupid here, but I'm in the camp where if an employee fecks up, part of the blame is on the manager, because he's the leader of the team.
Ten Hag got paid handsomely to manage his players, including Sancho. He needs to know how to handle different kind of personality.
Also, if Sancho can't be managed, he should've known about this after spending a season with him. Sell him this summer instead of letting the situation rot and this happened after the transfer windows close.
Wasn't there a rumor that he was caught smoking pot?All this coming out makes you wonder if there was more to the time off he had last season.