Well , At least he was right about @PennaAbsolutely, valid concerns but the notion that it's racist is just complete bollocks. He ended up threadbanned after continuing a bizarre rant about racism and ended up calling Penna a Nazi sympathiser.
Well , At least he was right about @PennaAbsolutely, valid concerns but the notion that it's racist is just complete bollocks. He ended up threadbanned after continuing a bizarre rant about racism and ended up calling Penna a Nazi sympathiser.
Post the rant?Absolutely, valid concerns but the notion that it's racist is just complete bollocks. He ended up threadbanned after continuing a bizarre rant about racism and ended up calling Penna a Nazi sympathiser.
...Well , At least he was reich about Penna
I didn't say all of Cox's opponents were like Mair and certainly it's wrong to label Leave voters as bigots etc. Not all are doing that and those that are are wrong.Two isolated incidents. One nut job does not mean all voters for leave are like that. Same with Jon Cox. Just because she advocated free speech doesn't mean all the remaining voters do.
It's seen in the way they have gone about this campaign. Labelling leave voters bigots and lunatics and scaremongering. That isn't the case here where people discuss fairly freely about topits but it has between politicians and average voters.
Fair enough!I was in french.
Because the UK were seen like minions of the US.I meant in the 60's when it was first formed.
What's with not wanting us in the EU then? Are you like that friend who secretly hate seeing you do anything of note and resents everything you do?
A lot of European cities stand to gain from a UK exit through a relocation of a lot high paying jobs, services and taxes. Not saying they actively want us out, but Europeans wouldn't be losing sleep over it.We want you in the EU but if you leave we will continue to live our lives.
Absolutely, valid concerns but the notion that it's racist is just complete bollocks. He ended up threadbanned after continuing a bizarre rant about racism and ended up calling Penna a Nazi sympathiser.
We still are.Because the UK were seen like minions of the US.
You're confusing 'concessions' which would apply to UK only, and 'reforms' which apply to all, and are part of the continuing form of any government as it creates and passes it's laws. Reform one way or another won't stop.Has there been any discussion on Juncker's comments earlier? He essentially confirmed that there would be no more reforms or concessions for the UK should it chose to remain.
That pretty much discredits Remain's idea of staying and reforming from within you'd think.
That's true, we could benefit from it but I think that most people prefer to see the EU with the UK. At the end of the day, we prefer to share our wealth with the UK in a peaceful Europe than without them.A lot of European cities stand to gain from a UK exit through a relocation of a lot high paying jobs, services and taxes. Not saying they actively want us out, but Europeans wouldn't be losing sleep over it.
To put it another way - you bet £1 for leave to win - if they do you get £6.40 back - only problem is that if Leave does win the £6.40 you now have will be worth less than the £1 you had originally
We're not being ordered around by a German at all, that's nonsense.It's a bitter pill for the British to swallow. We used to rule most of the known world, now we are being ordered around by a German. That's got to sting a little.
Why? So someone votes Leave and then feels ashamed. IF they did that it's daft.@Kaos , Why do you think leave voters would be publicly ashamed to say they voted for Brexit? People I have spoken with outside of the cafe are more than happy to bang the drum for whoever they are voting for.
@Marching , that's a bizarre response to a post that was essentially nothing more than an assumption.
The people who ruled the world are too long dead for it to still be "we".It's a bitter pill for the British to swallow. We used to rule most of the known world, now we are being ordered around by a German. That's got to sting a little.
Indeed. Everyone knows that racist morons feel no shame.Why? So someone votes Leave and then feels ashamed. IF they did that it's daft.
Best argument I've heard yet.We still are.
It's a bitter pill for the British to swallow. We used to rule most of the known world, now we are being ordered around by a German. That's got to sting a little.
The Queen doesn't have that much power in reality.We still are.
It's a bitter pill for the British to swallow. We used to rule most of the known world, now we are being ordered around by a German. That's got to sting a little.
You say that but then you're someone openly willing to admit you support Leeds.Why? So someone votes Leave and then feels ashamed. IF they did that it's daft.
The Queen doesn't have that much power in reality.
What does that Farage pamphlet taste like?We still are.
It's a bitter pill for the British to swallow. We used to rule most of the known world, now we are being ordered around by a German. That's got to sting a little.
Thats exactly what are my feelings. I see myself as an european, its the best our continent have done after the castrophes and disasters in the past. Ok, we need to reform the whole thing and do it more democratic and regions and citizen based. But since the witch Thatcher Britain always complains,wanting and getting extras from the EU, and never get the idea truly and put some energy in it like France or Germany. So i will be a little bit sad if Britain leaves, having so much friends in Britain from Erasmus and stuff, and i would be glad if Britain would be another stronghold of the ideas which comes with an European Union. But i also see the Brexit as a possibilty to go on with the whole project with more force without a neoliberal Britain which is always ranting about every stupid stuff..We want you in the EU but if you leave we will continue to live our lives.
We're not being ordered around by a German at all, that's nonsense.
And does it hurt to be in a democracy and not an Empire? erm, no, it's 2016.
The people who ruled the world are too long dead for it to still be "we".
Best argument I've heard yet.
I vote to turn the clock back around of years and commit genocide all over the world again. Ah, the halcyon days of the British Empire.
The Queen doesn't have that much power in reality.
It was a joke.What does that Farage pamphlet taste like?
26.How old are you?
Where did that money come from in the first place? British taxpayers. Only we lose some of it along the way, on nnecessary or objectionable EU initiatives.Iam just surprised how stupid people can be, i was reading articles about regions in Britain which got tons of money from the EU for structural things and got a lot of effort from it, but the people dont see it and run after the idea that Britain has to be an Empire for itself like in the past.
Don't forget to take your pen!I am ensuring that all of my family vote today, in person if necessary.
Since 8pm on Tuesday, the start of the BBC debate, No is up 7 votes (from 159) and Yes is up 74 votes (from 359)The 'Remain' lead in our poll up top is surging forward. Up about 3% since a few days ago.
Hopefully thats a good sign.
Mainly Germany, France, Italy, UK and Spain.Where did that money come from in the first place?
You mean Farage I presumeWe still are.
It's a bitter pill for the British to swallow. We used to rule most of the known world, now we are being ordered around by a German. That's got to sting a little.
Pretty much... Till the polls closeWhy is there next to no coverage on Sky News? Aren't the press allowed to cover it on voting day?
They are not. They just talk about problems at polling stations, weather and show footage of politicians arriving to vote.Why is there next to no coverage on Sky News? Aren't the press allowed to cover it on voting day?
No, no coverage of elections and such-like whilst polling is taking place.Why is there next to no coverage on Sky News? Aren't the press allowed to cover it on voting day?
wowIndeed. Everyone knows that racist morons feel no shame.
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It was actually the bold bit that I was referring to below. Had you replied with the above quote, that would make sense to me. What you put in the bold bit below, reads like a sweeping statement about Brexit voters, based around nothing more than "possibility"Why? So someone votes Leave and then feels ashamed. IF they did that it's daft.
Anyone think a "Shy Brexiter" effect may take place?
If I were a remainer I'd be very concerned the polls have it as close as it is, considering the possibility that a fair proportion of voters would be publicly ashamed to admit they're voting out.
That speaks volumes about them I'm afraid. People should have the courage of their convictions and hold their heads up high whichever way they vote. If you are ashamed of voting Leave it suggests you got it wrong.
More important is my electronic magnifier, one wouldn't want to put the X in the wrong box.Don't forget to take your pen!
Mind you £ up against the $ and bookies now offering 1/8 remain and 7/1 leave and they are all undertaking private polling so it looks like their early indications are remain (yay)