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I have a feeling its something like this. yes.It could be this
I have a feeling its something like this. yes.It could be this
How exactly? These 15 teams would play all 3 - domestic leagues, CL and ESLs. If they don't qualify for CL, they will just play ESL.
It's just an additional revenue which they want to explore. It has nothing to do with existing domestic leagues or CLs
Its a Lawsuit. It just won't fly in the court.They could
On another note, best of luck to Sheff United next season. A good friend of mine at uni was a massive Blades fan; top guy and a good club.Not even a pretend football fan?
Look at how much the big clubs in England have been forced to spend to still watch City win 3 of the past 4 PL's, it's monumental sums of cash to be second best*, at best, and it only looks like getting more expensive and more difficult to stick with them. City will dominate until the U.A.E gets bored, that much is clear, it's incredible just how far they have come in such a short time.I see what you're saying but I don't understand the link with this current situation.Not being a cnut tbh, just trying to understand is all
I think you are missing the point. This is a closed European Super League with no promotion or relegation. It is a club for the elite. A Royal Family of football clubs which excludes all other clubs.Fans will feel passionately about this and rightly so, but please make your own minds up and don’t be sucked in by this ridiculous narrative being pushed by Sky. The way they bang on and moralise, the competition they have helped create is some Marxist utopia where all clubs compete on a level playing field and fans pay thru’penny bit to watch their local heroes play for the love of the game. Rubbish.
Let’s not kid ourselves. The Premier League has always been about money. It was about creating wealth for the original twenty breakaway teams and Sky Sports. Furthermore, its always been a “closed shop” dominated by a handful of rich sides. The only teams who have successfully broken into the top few sides are those who have had billions pumped in by shady owners. What’s so great about the current set-up, dominated by a Championship-sized team who have had the ill-gotten gains of corrupt trillionaires poured into “their” club?
I can’t understand what legitimate arguments exist against the ESL. All of the arguments against are emotive. People don’t like the idea or don’t feel comfortable with it, which is fine. But let’s not pretend it’s some major shift in direction away from what’s already been happening in football for 25 years. The game gave into greed long, long ago. The Premier League and UEFA had their chance to reform and did nothing. Now they are scrambling, along with Sky.
The big clubs are basically working on the assumption that their domestic leagues would cease to be viable without them, so the ultimate sanction of expelling them just won't happen. I think they've made a serious misjudgement, and I would welcome the powers that be - UEFA, FA, EPL, and corresponding organisations in Italy and Spain - stating clearly that expulsion is precisely what will happen to them if they don't abandon this scheme pronto (they have hinted at it already).For people that missed it, this is where it comes from it's a long standing issue. This sentence echoes what the G-14, ECA and the cartel of top clubs have been doing for more than 20 years.
That's a different discussion altogether.
Just count the number of games.
If the PL are so concerned with 'fairness' then they should let the Saudis buy Newcastle.What?
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they are dead serious - have spoken about it for months, this isn't a knee jerk reactionIf they are serious about the bans, there is no way this can go forward right ? Who would wanna miss out on World Cups ? Euros ? Copa America ? AFCONs ?
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You kind of are by insinuating that their long standing money grab has anything to do with it. The monster has always existed the only thing that prevented it was that the UEFA caved every single time, the difference is that this time what the UEFA offered seemingly isn't enough. I find it problematic that you even start your point with it because it deflects from the historic shadiness of big clubs, we need to stop making excuses or making mitigating factos for the clubs that we love.I'm not blaming Qatar or UAE though. I'm solely blaming UEFA and the rest that allowed what you described to become a thing long before the oil clubs came in. Now they are reaping what they sowed a long time ago so I simply won't blame the original monsters they created for turning against them. This thread is full of 'UEFA and the PL are right and the clubs are awful for this'. My viewpoint is that UEFA and the likes of the PL deserve most of the blame for this happening. They created this monster, as you pointed out, and now they are pissed because they finally can't control it. I hate the idea of the Super League but feel no sympathy to the corrupt organistations who are crying foul now simply because it hurts their bottom line.
Again if it were Rangers and Dundalk and champions from smaller nations threatening this then UEFA wouldn't give a shit. That tells you all you need to know abut the current 'integrity' they are trying to keep intact.
Yes college not grassroots. Its the same issue. Unless you are an elite competitor you will have no funding. So no Sunday league no local teams no natural growth or progression. No grassroots football. I know American sports well and there is nothing at the grassroots level except basic pick up games.They have college sports. Where people from all backgrounds and level of society get a chance to get an education and have a chance to play at the elite national level. So be quiet if you aren’t going to bring anything productive to a debate.
Really ? It's supposed to replace CL for these teams actually. UEFA won't allow them to participate in both, because it'll undermine CL and their authority.How exactly? These 15 teams would play all 3 - domestic leagues, CL and ESLs. If they don't qualify for CL, they will just play ESL.
It's just an additional revenue which they want to explore. It has nothing to do with existing domestic leagues or CLs
Its not working for them as the biggest draws to the competition, they are losing money and are being told to suck it up and take even more burden by UEFAWhy do they have to ruin what is good.
I feel CL is good as it is. Maybe improve it to 64 teams if they want and remove EL.
Although I like having two tournaments to be honest.
Was my first thought too. A power play to throw a wrench in the works of the UEFA plans. They can't be actually serious with this, can they?It could be this
He's only parroting common opinion, don't give him too much credit.Boris Johnson speaking sense. Dark times.
The CL is dog shit, there's a reason a revamp is also being discussedWhy do they have to ruin what is good.
I feel CL is good as it is. Maybe improve it to 64 teams if they want and remove EL.
Although I like having two tournaments to be honest.
That would be stupid.UEFA should just kick out City, Chelsea and Madrid from the CL semi finals. Replace them with Porto, Dortmund and Atalanta. That will send a message.
Nah, I'll just watch them in the CL. You go on and be mad about it, though.It's a fact. If you want to watch Cluj vs Rosenburg then head over to the Europa league and have a gander there. In the mean time, the clubs that actually have a chance of winning the CL should be competing for the CL. That is the loosest application of daring to compete I've ever seen. It's like bringing a spud gun to the beaches of Normandy on D Day and "competing".
Why would we devalue our domestic league that's giving us close to 100m every season as gate revenues? The club's existence is on match going fans and that won't be compromised.Its too much of a time investment for them to do both competitions. Essentially initially you will just have your b team do domestic commitments then the a team do the superleague
I know but still.He's only parroting common opinion, don't give him too much credit.
Absolutely, he will join any cause that might benefit his popularity - see Brexit.He's only parroting common opinion, don't give him too much credit.
Ourseleves & Arsenal kicked out of the EL semis as well thenUEFA should just kick out City, Chelsea and Madrid from the CL semi finals. Replace them with Porto, Dortmund and Atalanta. That will send a message.
If an English team got to the final of both European competitions that's 80 games before domestic cup competitions.
Just count the number of games.
Sir Alex wouldnt know. He isnt even on the board of directors. There has to be an ability to fire those responsible. The owners wont make this decision unilaterally. It will be considered by senior execs who make the decisions. Who can be fired.its driven by the owners, who gets fired? Even Fergie says he knew nothing about this discussion
It's supposed to replace the CL for the included teams, because they're fecked off with UEFA for not giving them more money.The most ridiculous opinions are that this is 'just an extra tournament'. what days are left to play another large tournament ? do players go to playing weekend, tuesday night, thursday night?