European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


  • Total voters
    1,921
  • Poll closed .

bsCallout

New Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2017
Messages
4,278
What happened to all the talk of kicking us out? Why offer the clubs a way back? Could it be, that without Real, Barca, United, Liverpool and Juve, your product (let’s be real that’s what the CL and EL are to UEFA) is worthless to TV and sponsors?

This is the same gutless UEFA that’s allowed City and PSG to circumvent FFP with ease and showed the world that in court, they couldn’t even enforce their own rules.
Because why would they kick them out if the change their mind? They want them in the competitions, no point throwing them out because then they'll just go ahead and create their league.
 

Cloud7

Full Member
Joined
Jan 11, 2016
Messages
12,872
They're delusional. They probably didn't expect this negative response to it and are trying to backtrack
At first I thought there’s no way they would have done this without searching out that there’s a proper market for this, but listening to Perez rambling on in that interview I can actually believe that they were deluded enough to think everyone would love this idea, even if evidence pointed to the contrary, and are now surprised.
 

RedorDead21

Full Member
Joined
Jul 16, 2013
Messages
9,217
There was definitely a discussion on soccer Saturday maybe 10 years ago now when some were arguing of the danger of letting foreign owners take over the biggest clubs in the PL would lead to a breakaway. Imagine Merson and Phil being on top of this back then! The shame of it...
 

Sara125

Full Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2015
Messages
3,064
Location
London

How are Chelsea in bigger debt than Barca?!?

edit: Just realised Tottenham are too :lol: must explain their partaking in the ESL
 
Last edited:

NSA

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Apr 20, 2021
Messages
3
Location
Munich
Supports
Bayern München
The problems aren't gone even if the superleage is canceled. We need a european wide buget cap. The main problem is that the clubs overbid each other in palyer salaries.
 

LilyWhiteSpur

New Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2017
Messages
12,370
Location
Northern Ireland
Supports
Tottenham
This idea of of a founding 15 clubs immune from relegation and a special "invited 5" simple doesn't work, the 5 teams that get relegated each year will be the 5 that joined it. Depending on numbers promoted relegated each year of course, but the idea is a joke, basically no promoted team can play in the league for more than one season at a time. :lol:
 

Zlatan 7

We've got bush!
Joined
May 26, 2016
Messages
11,839
But the top clubs players play more games and the extra subs would have been held back in case of injury late in games.
It wasnt abused in the CL or EL. Hell we saw it after the restart last season Smaller teams werent overrun by bigger squads.
Playing the oh we are just trying to hold our own card was cynical.
Yeah so they better shut their mouths now that the sport is about to be ripped apart right? Same as Neville once got paid by the glazers and works for sky, he better shut his mouth too, after all they all take part in society, selfish fecks
 

Seven Seas Sardines

Full Member
Joined
May 24, 2015
Messages
3,090
Location
Bolivia til 2024
Same TV money and a £150k/wk salary cap and I doubt clubs would have made big losses, even with CV19.
The time has come for all top European leagues to come together and put a universal salary cap so certain countries can't take advantage of it. The timing couldn't be better, and hopefully it's legally possible to drop all salaries below the cap with immediate effect. This would feck over greedy agents and footballers chasing money ahead of dreams, and it would save bigger clubs from bankruptcy.
 
Last edited:

JPRouve

can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate
Scout
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
66,024
Location
France

How are Chelsea in bigger debt than Barca?!?
It's owed to Abramovich a big part of it was for club infrastructure, if I remember correctly and he had no intention to reclaim it.
 

Denis79

Full Member
Joined
Nov 2, 2014
Messages
7,778
Glad that he also highlights the fact that agents and players salaries are a part of the problem.

Same TV money and a £150k/wk salary cap and I doubt clubs would have made big losses, even with CV19.

I'm sure I could live on £150k/wk if I was careful.
Tight but doable.
 

AltiUn

likes playing with swords after fantasies
Joined
Apr 29, 2014
Messages
23,665
Matt Law basically earns his money from Roman. He would try his level best to turn everything in favour of Chelsea.
It's clearly working, on r/soccer they're saying "oh it's a shitty excuse but at least it's not as bad as the others". City also barely seem to be catching any heat for this.
 

LilyWhiteSpur

New Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2017
Messages
12,370
Location
Northern Ireland
Supports
Tottenham

How are Chelsea in bigger debt than Barca?!?
This is far too simplistic, total debt figures mean nothing without the details of terms of the said debt. A simplistic example having £100,000 on credit card debit is very different to £100,000 in mortgage debt.
 

Listar

Full Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2014
Messages
1,147
If we dock points of the ESL clubs Leicester will be champions again this season. Lightning strike twice who would have thought?
 
Joined
Jun 26, 2014
Messages
22,274
Location
Behind the right goal post as "Whiteside shoots!"
At first I thought there’s no way they would have done this without searching out that there’s a proper market for this, but listening to Perez rambling on in that interview I can actually believe that they were deluded enough to think everyone would love this idea, even if evidence pointed to the contrary, and are now surprised.
Clear Perez is a ringleader and Barca/Madrid have lost a shit load. American owned clubs were always going to join in as they have no connection to the club/fans and purely see it as money making exercise and have probably been impatiently saying for years "when can we convert this to the US sports model?!!"

Could have worked with each other (and the other clubs and associations) to talk about rising salaries/agents fees and find a solution but too much effort...
 

Withnail

Full Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2019
Messages
30,379
Location
The Arena of the Unwell

How are Chelsea in bigger debt than Barca?!?
Technically they 'owe' Abramovich around a billion.

So while he's pumped money in, it's on the books as a loan that has to be paid back.

EDIT: I didn't realise Spurs were so badly in the shit. Clubs should not be able to go 1 billion into debt. It's nuts
 

Withnail

Full Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2019
Messages
30,379
Location
The Arena of the Unwell
This idea of of a founding 15 clubs immune from relegation and a special "invited 5" simple doesn't work, the 5 teams that get relegated each year will be the 5 that joined it. Depending on numbers promoted relegated each year of course, but the idea is a joke, basically no promoted team can play in the league for more than one season at a time. :lol:

They'll also get feck all money out of it compared to the 15 even if my some miracle they manage to win it.
 

Sara125

Full Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2015
Messages
3,064
Location
London
Most of their debt is owned to their owner
Because their “debt” is money that came out of the bottomless pockets of their owner.

Didn’t realise Spurs were in such deep shit. Makes their addition all the more mystifying.
It's owed to Abramovich a big part of it was for club infrastructure, if I remember correctly and he had no intention to reclaim it.
Technically they 'owe' Abramovich around a billion.

So while he's pumped money in, it's on the books as a loan that has to be paid back.
Ta everyone!
 

shamans

Thinks you can get an STD from flirting.
Joined
Oct 25, 2010
Messages
18,226
Location
Constantly at the STD clinic.
having slept on it, I think ive become numb to it now. this is the free market in action. clubs can form whatever competition they like and invite who they want. (there was a time when football league entry was invite only, and to an extent with their requirements etc it still is). if the fans dont like it, then we walk away, like I will.

seeing politicians rush into making comment / organising meetings etc, winds me up more. Where's the proper regulation of the energy market? (the poorest paying way more for their utilities through pay meters etc). Same could be said for banking with interest rates for the poor etc, but thats all allowed because its a free market. why's football any different. The football industry has been about the £ over the glory since it turned professional. Listening to Harry Redknapp on the radio eulogising about the good old days, when it wasnt about the money etc made me sick in my mouth. They didnt ask him if having secret off shore bank accounts in the name of his dog was all about sporting integrity....


This is not free market in action. Why do people keep saying this is an inevitable result of the free market. That's as dumb as saying USSR communism is the inevitable result of socialism. A free market contains regulation.
 

louvega

Full Member
Joined
Jul 27, 2013
Messages
1,181
Aplogies if this has been discussed before, but would the members of Real and / or Barca be able to overthrow the decision of their management?
barcelona could, and the decision to join superleague should be ratified by members through vote. The original agreement to join was given the ok by the previous board without vote and announced the day they left (!)

the sudden announcement, the pandemic and the new board being elected recently probably made the voting impossible beforehand. It was already difficult to organize the new board election

don't know about madrid
 

The Purley King

Full Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2014
Messages
4,283
If we dock points of the ESL clubs Leicester will be champions again this season. Lightning strike twice who would have thought?
Can get Leicester to win the league at 39/1 on Betfair. A mate of mine (Leicester fan) has put £50 on it :)
 

terraloo

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Nov 6, 2012
Messages
387
Supports
Chelsea
What a glorious and powerful statement. Respect.
Do you think for one second that had Everton been invited to join they would have said no ? I don’t. Like I suspect a couple of clubs they knew had they been invited then it would have been financial suicide to say no If and a big If this ESL does come to fruition

Everton were considered to be in the big 5 prior to the PL being formed, they took full advantage of the opportunity even to the point of supporting the Chester report proposal that led to the abolition of shared gate receipts.

Everton are bitter understandably because they have invested heavily in chasing a dream and the owners who let’s face it who have no link with Liverpool as a City know that the building of a £500 million stadium is pointless without top class opposition to fill it.
 
Last edited:

JPRouve

can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate
Scout
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
66,024
Location
France
This idea of of a founding 15 clubs immune from relegation and a special "invited 5" simple doesn't work, the 5 teams that get relegated each year will be the 5 that joined it. Depending on numbers promoted relegated each year of course, but the idea is a joke, basically no promoted team can play in the league for more than one season at a time. :lol:
I don't think that it's the idea. My suspiscion is that the 5 invitee are auditioning for being part of future expansions. Basically you invite teams and see if they bring enough revenue, if they do you offer them a share in the company and the 15 become 16. Rinse and repeat.
 

arthurka

Full Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2010
Messages
18,755
Location
Rectum
So he should just shut up?

I’m glad he’s being so vocal and hopefully many more will follow him
No he should have helped when the Utd fans were trying to point this out. He should have used his platform to raise these issues before they happened.
But he was happy because the game was still bringing him loads of cash, it´s far too easy to point a finger and say I told you so after it has already happened.
All of these authorities had already been warned and many fan clubs had already brought up these issues years ago but no one listen and the party was left to run riot because it made them millions.

Coming out now for me is just a bit too little too late, Gary and Carra plus many others should have hammered the lawmakers years ago to involve fans into decision making of the clubs.
Just find it rich to be acting all surprised and shocked right now.
 

YouOnlyLiveTwice

Full Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2014
Messages
5,468
PL and UEFA are hugely dependant on these clubs to make Them money. That is how they can pull off a stunt like this.

Hopefully All this backlash forces Them to stop these Plans.

This has brought other issues to attention again though, which needs to be addressed.
 

ThierryFabregas

New Member
Joined
Dec 3, 2018
Messages
592
Supports
Arsenal
So it was Liverpool and the Glazers who were behind it.


I wouldn't be surprised if Kroenke was pushing for it with Arsenal out of Europe. It's been planned for years though. There was a leak that Bayern were planning this 3 years ago.