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Fergie loved signing strikers, I would see Evan being a United player under him. Nowadays we seldom buy talent from other PL clubs.
There's an obvious reason for that: All of them are multitudes richer in the modern game with how popular the league has become.Fergie loved signing strikers, I would see Evan being a United player under him. Nowadays we seldom buy talent from other PL clubs.
these people are watching Brighton decline £80m for Caicedo then come to this thread and pretend as if Ferguson would be attainable at a reasonable priceThere's an obvious reason for that: All of them are multitudes richer in the modern game with how popular the league has become.
Ferguson 20 years ago would have commanded 20-25m from us for him and Brighton could never turn anything like that down. Now they can tell everyone to feck off for under 100m just like they are doing with Caicedo.
It’s definite a vexing issue but it’s clear any striker of any basic level is costing 25m and up, look at Atalanta supposed replacement. People like Ramos will be 80m+, genuinely think united hoped we would get Kane for 70-80m based on his last year contract, us expecting he might force a move, etcYeah such a shame those leeches weren't willing to feck off so Erik was forced into a choice. Surely there is someone experienced who knows where the net is that can be signed for a reasonable fee.
The thing is, even without all those riches merely adjusting for basic inflation 20-25m 20 years ago is 40-50m today: https://www.in2013dollars.com/uk/inflation/2003?amount=100There's an obvious reason for that: All of them are multitudes richer in the modern game with how popular the league has become.
Ferguson 20 years ago would have commanded 20-25m from us for him and Brighton could never turn anything like that down. Now they can tell everyone to feck off for under 100m just like they are doing with Caicedo.
Football revenue growth has far exceeded general UK inflation. Rooney in the current day would have cost us £110m - spending £60-70m on Ferguson won't be off. I made this thread a while back for this:The thing is, even without all those riches merely adjusting for basic inflation 20-25m 20 years ago is 40-50m today: https://www.in2013dollars.com/uk/inflation/2003?amount=100
The rest is football transfer inflation and, as you implied, EPL becoming the biggest cash machine in world football.
Isn’t that what I said in the second paragraph without the exact numbers?Football revenue growth has far exceeded general UK inflation. Rooney in the current day would have cost us £110m - spending £60-70m on Ferguson won't be off. I made this thread a while back for this:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/revenue-inflation-adjusted-transfers.475485/
Toney is bannedWould rather take Toney. An experienced striker above another kid.
This is a good point. He's a great talent but after scoring 3 goals in his first 5 PL games, he only got 3 in his next 14 games. Some of those were sub appearances but that's another indication his manager doesn't think he's ready to lead the line regularly. They even bought another striker for £30m this summer.He's scored 6 goals. I'm not saying sign anyone, but the idea of signing someone who is 18, nearly totally unproven, has not been first choice of any PL side. We don't have another striker, there is a good chance he had a struggle of a season.
He picked up an injury and eased back in with sub appearances - nothing to do with his performances, purely fitness.This is a good point. He's a great talent but after scoring 3 goals in his first 5 PL games, he only got 3 in his next 14 games. Some of those were sub appearances but that's another indication his manager doesn't think he's ready to lead the line regularly. They even bought another striker for £30m this summer.
Wan-BissakaFergie loved signing strikers, I would see Evan being a United player under him. Nowadays we seldom buy talent from other PL clubs.
Right, but I don't see much difference in the way his minutes were handled before and after Fabinho's tackle.He picked up an injury and eased back in with sub appearances - nothing to do with his performances, purely fitness.
He will rotate with Welbeck and Pedro - not sure if he’ll be the main striker but he’ll get plenty of minutes!Right, but I don't see much difference in the way his minutes were handled before and after Fabinho's tackle.
Do you think he'll be the main striker next season?
Sorry but comments like this are so bad in the the transfer threads.....the Premier League has changed so much since 2013 because clubs like Brighton & Hove have now much more money in their pockets and if a striker like Ferguson has only 4-5 good months then his price is already something like 60m (Caicedo is a fantastic player but his price should be something like 60m and not 100m).Fergie loved signing strikers, I would see Evan being a United player under him. Nowadays we seldom buy talent from other PL clubs.
Some people like Watkins aswell.Wan-Bissaka
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We sign premier league players, we always have, don't know where you're coming from with that statement.
If you're talking solely about a striker, there hasn't really been one worth signing with the exception of Kane and at a push toney (betting scandal aside).
Yeah that's a fair point, I guess what I'm trying to say is we aren't in the mix anymore for top PL talent, Rice and Grealish the two most expensive players in the PL for example were snapped up by our rivals and we were never really in the conversation.Wan-Bissaka
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We sign premier league players, we always have, don't know where you're coming from with that statement.
If you're talking solely about a striker, there hasn't really been one worth signing with the exception of Kane and at a push toney (betting scandal aside).
I think we would have been in the conversation if we had ETH at the time and he was as fixated upon securing Grealish as he clearly was on Antony. Arsenal aren't a 'bigger' or more prestigious club- there've been numerous times, even prior to the end of this season, where Arteta's project has threatened to come off the tracks, plus he's had longer to coach what he has than ETH, whilst the Arsenal ownership have seen all kinds of criticism for relative lack of investment prior to this summer ( blowing 70+ on Pepe notwithstanding). We just have a budget that isn't 'fake' in the same way City's is (not helped by the Glazers, of course), and so we have to be more selective in going in for players. If Ferguson starts hitting Kane levels, come next summer, we would absolutely be in a conversation for him (along with Chelsea, as long as they don't implode again) and maybe Arsenal...Yeah that's a fair point, I guess what I'm trying to say is we aren't in the mix anymore for top PL talent, Rice and Grealish the two most expensive players in the PL for example were snapped up by our rivals and we were never really in the conversation.
Years back, we would routinely break the British transfer record - we haven't even broken our own transfer record for seven years now.
valid point, but then again Rooney's goal record at Everton wasn't great, 6 in 33, then 9 in 34. You see something though in certain players, and in Ferguson, he looks like he could be something special. His season last year got disrupted by injury, so it looks like he'll do what Rooney did and give it another season, continue his development, then move on.He's scored 6 goals. I'm not saying sign anyone, but the idea of signing someone who is 18, nearly totally unproven, has not been first choice of any PL side. We don't have another striker, there is a good chance he had a struggle of a season.
Possibly, but with Rooney we didn't spend huge after 6 goals.valid point, but then again Rooney's goal record at Everton wasn't great, 6 in 33, then 9 in 34. You see something though in certain players, and in Ferguson, he looks like he could be something special. His season last year got disrupted by injury, so it looks like he'll do what Rooney did and give it another season, continue his development, then move on.
Absolutely zero has happened to keep this thread aliveWas there a recent goal? videos ?
I was looking all over YouTube to see if I could see why there’s a sudden rise in hype.Absolutely zero has happened to keep this thread alive
but seemingly we will with HojlundPossibly, but with Rooney we didn't spend huge after 6 goals.
Yeah but both the players you mentioned went to clubs who were adding to a squad which were there or there abouts. We are in the middle of serious surgery to our squad. 5 came in last summer. 2 with more expected to come this summer.Yeah that's a fair point, I guess what I'm trying to say is we aren't in the mix anymore for top PL talent, Rice and Grealish the two most expensive players in the PL for example were snapped up by our rivals and we were never really in the conversation.
Years back, we would routinely break the British transfer record - we haven't even broken our own transfer record for seven years now.
Look at it this way - say he has a good season, he already has a long contract to run, the price will be huge. Being a childhood fan won’t lower that.
honestly, no idea. Pedro has looked absolutely electric in his two pre-season appearances, so most are expecting him to start against Luton in our first game.Question for the Brighton fans:
Who becomes the default striker now that Joao Pedro is in the team? Or does this somehow point to a two-striker setup with him and Ferguson? Do they prioritize which of them plays in Europe or the league? What happens to Welbeck and Undav?
Always liked Joao but I've always wondered what his best position is as he's not quite elite as a lone striker, but given most teams play with one upfront, might create a dilemma for De Zerbi.
That's because we didn't need Rice or Grealish. Grealish has turned out to be a better player butYeah that's a fair point, I guess what I'm trying to say is we aren't in the mix anymore for top PL talent, Rice and Grealish the two most expensive players in the PL for example were snapped up by our rivals and we were never really in the conversation.
Years back, we would routinely break the British transfer record - we haven't even broken our own transfer record for seven years now.
Assuming the Danish fella has a promising trajectory if we do get him then what's the point in having two prospects in the team, if anything they'll get in each other's way.
I think Ferguson will get plenty of minutes, with two cups and a Europa League campaign coming up. De Zerbi has never been afraid of making tough calls and dropping players when they aren’t following his instructions or performing at a good enough level. Boring answer but time will tell. If he’s got 7-8 goals by Christmas we’ll have our answer I reckon.Thanks for that @UTAretro
Yeah, I only caught highlights of the Brentford game and Adingra looks a talent. If he can keep up that momentum then I can see him having quite a big season. It's crazy how you seem to have a replacement for most of your front 4 already at the club. Superb planning.
On Ferguson, do you think not playing as much as the hype suggests this season could stall his development?
There are some on here convinced we should have made him our starter upfront this season, yet looks like even Brighton aren't doing that.
If we can’t get Kane then I’d be fine with Taremi for 20mil & then wait to analyse the next wave of young strikers in to January or next summer - no one is coming to our club cheap unless they are a complete unknown.
See who is better out of Jiminez, Hojlund, Ferguson and even analyse if it’s better to just take Toney out of Brentford.
I’d rather be near sure paying 80+ mil on a near sure player than 60+m on an unsure one.
If we stick with 1 what happens if that player gets a long term injury or just breaks down because we play 60 games a season and don't have anyone to rotate him with. We need two front line strikers, we are getting one this summer but we absolutely need another as a priority next year even if Rasmus breaks the PL single season goalscoring record. Two players for every position, it is basic squad building principles.Assuming the Danish fella has a promising trajectory if we do get him then what's the point in having two prospects in the team, if anything they'll get in each other's way.