SuperiorXI
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Now that's a kinky headline
Tom Coughlin?So, this should make United fans nervous. I’m not saying that to WUM, or look for the negative. But there is a difference between “accountability” and “punishment”.
ETH has managed academies and a club that is essentially a higher profile academy for European teams.
The hope is that he can adapt to managing a team with the profile and roster makeup of United.But when you hear him say things like the veteran players need to get in line and approach things more like the academy kids, and then comments like this from Fernandes … it makes you wonder if he can adapt his style, or if he even realizes it’s necessary yet.
His first pro job, Tom Cougin ( who sounds a LOT like ETH) fined people for chewing gum, not wearing collar’d shorts to meeting, being exactly on time instead of 5 minutes early. He assigned coaches to check in on when players were getting to sleep at night, etc, etc. he didn’t “think” he was treating them like children, but he was coaching the way he always coached, and he didn’t see why a 25 year old on a big pro contract should be different than the 21 year olds he was primarily used to. His second time around he changed everything about his approach and was successful. But he had to fail first.
I think they had instructions, but they were very basic. As in “press high when they have the ball lads” but never any real methodical way of doing so. So we’d just run around like headless chickens and watch various players get upset when others weren’t on the same wavelength as them. Oh and he definitely told Rashford to just constantly run in behind so we could hoof it to him.I don’t think any of the players had any individual tactical instructions from Ole tbh. Just go out there and play.
Ole at wheel...So for the last 3 years everyone was just showing up when they want and doing what they want?
Makes sense to be fair.
Indeed - which is a major reason why they are just that.The best can do both.
1. You don’t seem to understand loans or finance. Again, he IS the company he just borrowed from. It is the smart way to do it.Not the first time you’ve trotted this bollocks out.
You said it may also be a reason for De Jong to not want to move to United and work with Ten Hag as he won’t want to be treated liked an academy player.
I have to assume you are on the wind up as surely not that daft. You’d think Ten Hag had never managed players over the age of 18 before in his career and that the multiple comments of adoration from his ex players and fellow coaches, like veteran Steve McClaren, were fabricated.
Do some actual research and stop trotting out this rubbish. You should be more worried about the £800m loan your new owners are taking out and leave United to United.
What about comments from players? Past and present? The fact they all love him and will do what he asks?1. You don’t seem to understand loans or finance. Again, he IS the company he just borrowed from. It is the smart way to do it.
2. I hope it works out for you. I dont dislike United. But right now Ajax has 4 or 5 players who are older and the rest are between 18 and 22. When this happens theolder players generally act like extra assistants, are fully bought in, and get treated differently than the kids. Prior to that he’s managed mostly actual academy teams. Fellow chess players thought Bobby fisher was a genius… they also wouldn’t spend more than 5 minutes in a room with him. So comments from other managers about how good he is at teaching football will NOT mean his Communication methods will go over well with 30 year old stars that aren’t beholden to the man.
It may not be a hard transition for him, but some of the stuff coming out so far imply it might be. Does United have the people in place to pull him aside and counsel him on it if needs be?
OR do you think micromanagement on the scale people attribute to him, where even their nightlife is tracked and every function of their day is timed down to the minute with … “punishments” involved for violators…. Will go down well?
I am genuinely interested in your thoughts. I don’t WANT your team to do badly. My friends make my workday a living clinic of depression when things aren’t going well for you. So please, tell me how I’m wrong.
“Zidane! Keep it on the crown! Zidane, heh! Fecking rubbish!”Wonder what's the punishment will be?
Polishing his bald head while he sits and monitor the rest?
No it didn’t, it started because Von Hindenburg made Hitler reichs chancellor.This is how Nazi Germany started.
Zero trust in these players so I will go with the latter.Will be interesting to see over time if the usual suspects will continue to knuckle down or eventually throw their toys out of the pram.
So, this should make United fans nervous. I’m not saying that to WUM, or look for the negative. But there is a difference between “accountability” and “punishment”.
ETH has managed academies and a club that is essentially a higher profile academy for European teams.
The hope is that he can adapt to managing a team with the profile and roster makeup of United.But when you hear him say things like the veteran players need to get in line and approach things more like the academy kids, and then comments like this from Fernandes … it makes you wonder if he can adapt his style, or if he even realizes it’s necessary yet.
His first pro job, Tom Cougin ( who sounds a LOT like ETH) fined people for chewing gum, not wearing collar’d shorts to meeting, being exactly on time instead of 5 minutes early. He assigned coaches to check in on when players were getting to sleep at night, etc, etc. he didn’t “think” he was treating them like children, but he was coaching the way he always coached, and he didn’t see why a 25 year old on a big pro contract should be different than the 21 year olds he was primarily used to. His second time around he changed everything about his approach and was successful. But he had to fail first.
Strictness and disciplines are required. The club is trophyless for half a decade for a reason.I feel people are taking the wrong thing away from this interview. The strictness isn’t really going to do anything, it’s the insights into training which are the most exciting. Actually coaching the players meticulously, intervening when they’re doing it wrong, being heavily personally involved. All good signs.
We’ve have disciplinarian coaches in ththe past with LvG, Jose after a fashion and David “No-ketchup” Moyes. That bit won’t make the slightest bit of difference, in fact it’ll just speed up the players throwing him under the bus if it starts going wrong.
Yep. Anything that opens the door for a lackadaisical behavior should never be tolerated, and many people in the last decade should be held responsible for allowing the toxic environment to fester.Just goes to show how slack it has been in training for the last few years.
Discipline in any field is vitally important.
And for any elite sports person, there is no excuse at all for poor discipline.
You nailed it.So for the last 3 years everyone was just showing up when they want and doing what they want?
Makes sense to be fair.
I’m not sure. Ralf was a very reasonable sort of guy but he clearly failed to ignite the team emotionally. I say this as someone who respects him. With ETH I think we have somebody both tactically astute and able to connect with the players and get them on his side. At least, I’m hoping so. It looks promising so far.You nailed it.
Though during the last 6 months, Ralf R tried to get the players to run and play his style of football and they refused. This is why I believe this set of players (most of them, anyway) needs to be sold.
It is pretty clear that there was a toxic environment. So hopefully those primarily responsible have been moved on.Yep. Anything that opens the door for a lackadaisical behavior should never be tolerated, and many people in the last decade should be held responsible for allowing the toxic environment to fester.
Ole is too nice a guy to ever make a top manager. We need someone with a mean streak in them to be successful again.Remember we were told Ole brought the culture back
So ETH should basically let the players do what they want then?So, this should make United fans nervous. I’m not saying that to WUM, or look for the negative. But there is a difference between “accountability” and “punishment”.
ETH has managed academies and a club that is essentially a higher profile academy for European teams.
The hope is that he can adapt to managing a team with the profile and roster makeup of United.But when you hear him say things like the veteran players need to get in line and approach things more like the academy kids, and then comments like this from Fernandes … it makes you wonder if he can adapt his style, or if he even realizes it’s necessary yet.
His first pro job, Tom Cougin ( who sounds a LOT like ETH) fined people for chewing gum, not wearing collar’d shorts to meeting, being exactly on time instead of 5 minutes early. He assigned coaches to check in on when players were getting to sleep at night, etc, etc. he didn’t “think” he was treating them like children, but he was coaching the way he always coached, and he didn’t see why a 25 year old on a big pro contract should be different than the 21 year olds he was primarily used to. His second time around he changed everything about his approach and was successful. But he had to fail first.
does bruno go on to say what type of punishment is meted out? is it like “sing a song on the team bus and do push ups” or does he do things like pull their hair and spit in their mouths?Now that's a kinky headline
Exactly this. Players will listen to you if you help them improve. Just being strict without purpose is going to make the manager look like that principal from Matilda (and Rangnick) and players are going to start mocking the approach used which is going to look even more ridiculous . Its not fear that rules, it's respect.I feel people are taking the wrong thing away from this interview. The strictness isn’t really going to do anything, it’s the insights into training which are the most exciting. Actually coaching the players meticulously, intervening when they’re doing it wrong, being heavily personally involved. All good signs.
We’ve have disciplinarian coaches in ththe past with LvG, Jose after a fashion and David “No-ketchup” Moyes. That bit won’t make the slightest bit of difference, in fact it’ll just speed up the players throwing him under the bus if it starts going wrong.
They will rear their ugly heads once the results go bad.Zero trust in these players so I will go with the latter.