vangagal
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Vettel needs to rediscover his form and motivation asap. Constantly beaten by rookie teammate not a good sign at all.
Career points are irrelevant as they changed over the years and there are more races as well.239 races
86 pole positions
80 wins
143 podiums
3,241 career points
5 times world champion , broke most records there is to break , 6 British wins, more than any other driver , his result really dont flatter him.
He does not just sit in and drive , he has massive input in to the team, always getting them to improve things.
Best of his generation? He's got a good chance of winning the GOAT debate after he calls it a day.Career points are irrelevant as they changed over the years and there are more races as well.
He had 6 years with Mercedes. Roughly, around 60 of his 86 pole positions were with Mercedes in 6 years. he had 26 in 6 years with McLaren.
For me he is and as i said before, Schumi is as well. when you have a car that's destroying the field and doing the work for you and when the only person that can stop you is your teamate which your team has choosen to be more like your wing man than your competitor, the results that you get are flattering.
I'm not saying he's not good. he's one of the best of his generation. But you have to be a die hard Lewis fan to not see that his results flatter him.
The car no doubtly helps, but last year, both Ferrari drivers and the Red Bull driver (Max) beat Bottas so the car last year certainly wasn't "destroying the field". The driving of Lewis put pressure on his challenger, Vettel, and caused him to make mistakes. I'm not a F1 historian but I bet the previous world championship drivers all raced in very competitive cars. Has there ever been a driver who won a world championship with what was clearly otherwise a poor car?Career points are irrelevant as they changed over the years and there are more races as well.
He had 6 years with Mercedes. Roughly, around 60 of his 86 pole positions were with Mercedes in 6 years. he had 26 in 6 years with McLaren.
For me he is and as i said before, Schumi is as well. when you have a car that's destroying the field and doing the work for you and when the only person that can stop you is your teamate which your team has choosen to be more like your wing man than your competitor, the results that you get are flattering.
I'm not saying he's not good. he's one of the best of his generation. But you have to be a die hard Lewis fan to not see that his results flatter him.
Only to folks who didn't watch the 80s and 90s.Best of his generation? He's got a good chance of winning the GOAT debate after he calls it a day.
I personally think this era is vastly overrated quality wise. Lets not beat around the bush, Schumacher Senior is arguably the Goat and his brother is not a slouch. JPM was prodigy and won Indy Car when it was not quite F1, but had a decent list of talent. Then add Raikkonen, Alonso, Hakkinen (even DC), Damon etc. In fact, I would say the period between 96 to 2001 was the Strongest in F1 history. Nearly every team aside from Minardi had a driver capable of winning races (even the likes of Tyrell and Prost).Only to folks who didn't watch the 80s and 90s.
Pretty much this. There used to be an era when other teams could win. The last 10 years most of the times it's been 1 team on top, sometimes 2... It's much easier to win in that scenario.I personally think this era is vastly overrated quality wise. Lets not beat around the bush, Schumacher Senior is arguably the Goat and his brother is not a slouch. JPM was prodigy and won Indy Car when it was not quite F1, but had a decent list of talent. Then add Raikkonen, Alonso, Hakkinen (even DC), Damon etc. In fact, I would say the period between 96 to 2001 was the Strongest in F1 history. Nearly every team aside from Minardi had a driver capable of winning races (even the likes of Tyrell and Prost).
Currently F1 has a couple of F2 champions, Lewis and Sebastian...
Well, it's not about winning with a poor car, it's more about winning when having a competition. I agree about last year's championship. He was excellent.The car no doubtly helps, but last year, both Ferrari drivers and the Red Bull driver (Max) beat Bottas so the car last year certainly wasn't "destroying the field". The driving of Lewis put pressure on his challenger, Vettel, and caused him to make mistakes. I'm not a F1 historian but I bet the previous world championship drivers all raced in very competitive cars. Has there ever been a driver who won a world championship with what was clearly otherwise a poor car?
Closest in the last 30 years has been Prost and Schumacher both in Ferrari's. Prior to that, probably Hunt in the McLaren.The car no doubtly helps, but last year, both Ferrari drivers and the Red Bull driver (Max) beat Bottas so the car last year certainly wasn't "destroying the field". The driving of Lewis put pressure on his challenger, Vettel, and caused him to make mistakes. I'm not a F1 historian but I bet the previous world championship drivers all raced in very competitive cars. Has there ever been a driver who won a world championship with what was clearly otherwise a poor car?
Ferrari and Red Bull outpaced Mercedes in final practice for the German GP in a surprise timesheet ahead of qualifying, despite cooler weather arriving at Hockenheim.
The impressive Charles Leclerc, the fastest man in the oppressive heat of Friday, led the way again in P3, this time from Max Verstappen by 0.168s with a best lap of 1:12.380.
Both Mercedes drivers finished half a second off the pace and were unusually split on the timesheet by Haas' Kevin Magnussen.
Despite expectations that a drop in temperatures of around 10 degrees compared to Friday would play into Mercedes' hands, Valtteri Bottas was fourth and Lewis Hamilton sixth.
So basically Mercedes in line for another 1-2 in qualifying. Nice.Ferrari and Red Bull outpaced Mercedes in final practice for the German GP in a surprise timesheet ahead of qualifying, despite cooler weather arriving at Hockenheim.
The impressive Charles Leclerc, the fastest man in the oppressive heat of Friday, led the way again in P3, this time from Max Verstappen by 0.168s with a best lap of 1:12.380.
Both Mercedes drivers finished half a second off the pace and were unusually split on the timesheet by Haas' Kevin Magnussen.
Despite expectations that a drop in temperatures of around 10 degrees compared to Friday would play into Mercedes' hands, Valtteri Bottas was fourth and Lewis Hamilton sixth.
Not so sure , both cars had problems Bottas has software problems and Lewis looks a bit ragged.So basically Mercedes in line for another 1-2 in qualifying. Nice.
Is this the beginning of the end for Seb.Seb out in Q1 , did not even set a time , Lewis has found some speed.
nah , he is just having poor luckIs this the beginning of the end for Seb.
No surprise there then. Max may seoerste the Mercs yet, but it's never too far from a Merc 1-2, this year at least.Ferrari is having a shocker , both cars out.
....or delight, either way, a feck up of a season. Poor Ferrari.Never doubt Ferrari to find new ways to disappoint you.
It depends on what's wrong. If he needs to change anything major it could come with penalties.Seb starts 20th and Leclerc start in 10th.
Rain is a high possibility on Sunday, but Lewis is fantastic in the rain , going to be hard to get anything from this weekend.
I miss him on days like these.I wonder how Santi is doing
yeah never thought of that.It depends on what's wrong. If he needs to change anything major it could come with penalties.