I have done it already
F1 2021 Season
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And you keep ignoring my question and point to you.
But yeah, you hide behind it being "legal" to change the rules at any time. Surely if you were actually a racing fan, you'd see that as farcical too? But of course not, your boy won.
I don't give a shit who won, I'm in awe of the talent of all the drivers. What I do give a shit about this is falling out of love with F1 years ago and now coming back to see it's got even more farcical. The "sport" has no integrity, no class. There's not even much real racing going on. Now we have grade-A weapons like Horner and Toto actually talking to the race director during the race, being offered deals on punishments and clearly influencing what happens. You have ridiculously complex rules that no one understands properly. And now you have blatant rule changing to suit the tv crowd and sponsors right at the end.
But yeah, apparently race fans loved that last lap. Even though it wasn't even a fair race. Go figure.
I think we have all just assumed that tbh I doubt Mercedes will make any decision on that today. I don't care about Max getting the title I just want Masi gone tbh.
We'll add that same asterick next to Lewis 2020 title... oh and pretty much every title and win since 2014? You know since they clearly had an engine that was so far ahead of the pack it wasn't funny that even Williams looked half decent.
The best you could come up with? Nonsense comparison to say the least.
The WC isn’t about one race and there have been plenty of decisions that have gone both ways over the course of the season. So in that sense I don’t think Max will feel its tainted like you think
CAS won't overturn the title winner anyway. They dont have the power to rule out a lap in an F1 race.
CAS will be more about Mercedes vs Masi, if it happens.
Max is an unsporting cnut. He won’t give two fecks and in his mind it was all kosher because he won.
not true.
As they say there is no such thing as bad publicity.
The teams/ drivers did nothing wrong.
Mercedes/ Hamilton fans will cry for a while.
Truth is the stewarding of F1 has been a joke for a long time, its not a new thing.
I have been watching F1 since the days of James Hunt and this is the best season i can remember.
If things like this damage the Sport football is well and truly fecked with all the corruption and the like that goes on.
I cant wait for next season.
Any F1 fan with a sense of fairness can see this was a dodgy decision. If you like dodgy decisions then, enjoy...Everybody not following Lewis disagree's with this.
It's Damon 94 all over again
Salty english fans and everybody else lapping it up
Dunno... comes over as a total prick... could see him having a line of prozzies ready to kick in the cnut to celebrate
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The judgement even quotes the rules they ignored.
They don't just say "we haven't upheld it", they actually state the rules which they should have followed then say they didn't because a Race Director has some overarching powers that mean he can ignore SC rules
They were right not to pit under VSC - Max wasn’t catching. And they couldn’t pit under the safety car as had the rules actually been applied there was a genuine risk it would have ended under the safety car. So what did they get wrong?
Listen to Lewis radio , he begs to disagree.
These people enjoy the WWE style drama. Would've been funny seeing their reactions if it benefited Hamilton today.
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Don't waste your breathe, that user is clearly a WUM.
Shitshow is a bit much. Even the Red Bull dude over the radio thought it was over until the race director decided "next goal is the winner".
The tactics worked fine until Red Bull dude got the "miracle" he said they needed.
No it wasn't. Latifi's car was up in the air and being taken off the track a good 20sec before the SC passed on its first lap (55/58), halfway through lap 56 the call came to not let the lapped cars overtake which was the first of all the weird decisions they made. If they had instead made the call to send the lapped cars through at that time then the SC would still have come in after lap 57 and we would've had the exact same ending, and it would've all been by the book.
It’s strange to me that people let their support of one athlete/team and dislike of another get in the way of ensuring credibility of the sport that they enjoy watching.
Cas here we come
Presume merc will at some point suggest they don't want to race in or supply engines to a corrupt sport
Just putting into context that it’s a reoccurrence through the season. Max was gifted +3.5 points more than lewis. They knew the race wouldn’t go ahead and wanted to gift him them.
I don’t think Mercedes got any tactics wrong at all, they were on course for one of their most comfortable wins of the season. What happened was just bad luck and some bizarre decision making by Masi
Right. But Lewis always disagrees in the moment as he hasn’t got all the data. He disagreed with not pitting under the VSC which was clearly the right choice. So again - what was this shit show they had with strategy?
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The Race Director shall have overriding authority in the following matters and the clerk of the course may give orders in respect of them only with his express agreement:
a) The control of practice and the race, adherence to the timetable and, if he deems it necessary, the making of any proposal to the stewards to modify the timetable in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
b) The stopping of any car in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
c) The stopping of practice or suspension of the race in accordance with the Sporting Regulations if he deems it unsafe to continue and ensuring that the correct restart procedure is carried out.
d) The starting procedure.
e) The use of the safety car.
This rule will probably mean any Merc appeals are batted away both internally and at CAS.
The Race Director shall have overriding authority in the following matters and the clerk of the course may give orders in respect of them only with his express agreement:
a) The control of practice and the race, adherence to the timetable and, if he deems it necessary, the making of any proposal to the stewards to modify the timetable in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
b) The stopping of any car in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
c) The stopping of practice or suspension of the race in accordance with the Sporting Regulations if he deems it unsafe to continue and ensuring that the correct restart procedure is carried out.
d) The starting procedure.
e) The use of the safety car.
This rule will probably mean any Merc appeals are batted away both internally and at CAS.
Surely there's no more Lewis can do in F1 now?
He's better going off to Formula E and making that sport bigger with cleaner cars.
He's better going off to Formula E and making that sport bigger with cleaner cars.
Yep, the Lewis fans must have gone "oh no" when the shot of the crashed car came up - it was plain sailing without a crash.
Why are people criticising Merc’s tactics? I thought at the time that they should’ve brought Lewis in under the VSC, but they were proven right in their decision not to, they were 10s clear before the safety car and on their way to winning the race.
Even if they’d pitted under the VSC, max would’ve had fresh soft tyres attacking worn hard tyres. Lewis was a sitting duck as soon as the decision was made by Masi.
Even if they’d pitted under the VSC, max would’ve had fresh soft tyres attacking worn hard tyres. Lewis was a sitting duck as soon as the decision was made by Masi.
Max was robbed of 50 points at Baku and Silverstone... Lewis was gifted points at Imola and Silverstone.
This is endless.
Its seems Merc didn't actually read all rules then.
He'll see out his two year contract and retire.
You okay bro?
Listening to Toto whinge like a bitch on that last lap
Muppets on here are out all of a sudden!
And they'll quietly step aside when given certain winks and assurances.
He should absolutely do Formula E, it's a win for his image to be racing in an environmentally friendly formaula
Insane end to the season, a pity it had to end like that. I support Verstappen more than Hamilton, but it feels a bit shit that he loses it because of another driver crashing out of nothing. That’s the beauty of the sport though, it’s a factor that makes every race kind of interesting - and to be fair, the only way it can be interesting to the masses around the world. Obviously Hamilton deserved to win today and also the Championship as a consequence, but Verstappen finished first and thus deserved it too. This was just today, remember when Verstappen punctured from a win and finished with zero points, that's also equally unlucky. Shit, Latifi will never drive for Mercedes that much is sure - you couldn't really make this up in advance, exceptional drama.
As for all the crying Hamilton-fans above me in this thread, jesus christ get a grip, stop pretending you know the rules better than the stewards. It probably would have been the other way around if Mercedes won and Red Bull-fans were at it, but again stop pretending people like Horner is bending the rules better than Toto Wolff. The latter is basically the Darth Vader in this sport, he has the political power of Putin when it comes to interfering the judges. Next year I hope the principals are not allowed to talk to the race director during the race, it's pathetic and screams of special treatment. I am glad the silly protests didn't lead them anywhere.
Two thoughts came to my head during the race; I was "sure" Perez was going to somehow strike Hamilton when he defended his brief lead, that would have cleared Verstappen and so on. Also, what is Bottas suddenly crashes out or makes a huge mistake on the last lap causing another, immediate Safety car? Maybe he would have taken one for the team if he was still driving there next season...
As for all the crying Hamilton-fans above me in this thread, jesus christ get a grip, stop pretending you know the rules better than the stewards. It probably would have been the other way around if Mercedes won and Red Bull-fans were at it, but again stop pretending people like Horner is bending the rules better than Toto Wolff. The latter is basically the Darth Vader in this sport, he has the political power of Putin when it comes to interfering the judges. Next year I hope the principals are not allowed to talk to the race director during the race, it's pathetic and screams of special treatment. I am glad the silly protests didn't lead them anywhere.
Two thoughts came to my head during the race; I was "sure" Perez was going to somehow strike Hamilton when he defended his brief lead, that would have cleared Verstappen and so on. Also, what is Bottas suddenly crashes out or makes a huge mistake on the last lap causing another, immediate Safety car? Maybe he would have taken one for the team if he was still driving there next season...
Whilst you and others would have a completely different viewpoint if the roles were reversed lets be completely honest.
Yeah it seems so. It's quite black and white Masi does actually have discretion in how he uses and recalls the safety car.
I guess they felt they have to try.
Break Micheal’s record ?
On the plus side, F1 has its Aguero moment