Yeh curse all the structural racism that meant Hamilton could only win 7 world titles out of 15 seasons in F1.
Baffling.
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Baffling.
This is the most ridiculous post I have seen.
The amount of champagne that Horner took during the podium celebrations, combined with his bloated ego would have made it a no-contest.
Had he been penalised at the start like he should have been, he wouldn't have had that 13+ second lead.
Points:
Verstappen - 395.5
Hamilton - 387.5
Looks like beating to me
This race represents less than 5% of the total season.
I remember 2008 last lap Massa champion for a few seconds till timo Glock fell apart in the last corner, heart breaking
By the way, what made Red Bull pit Verstappen again after Latifi's crash? I feel like I'm missing some game theory here. Verstappen 'could' have remained stuck behind the 5 other cars, right?
He was much quicker throughout the race at worst he would have given his place back for him to retake it within seconds
No no, that is also your personal opinion.
yep, congratulations to max. he deserves it for his performances over the course of the year.
They were lapped cars, so would have had to move aside for him
this is embarrassing
But still 5%. And the race result is still to be appealed.
it would have taken him a few corners to clear them as they were racing for position against each other. they need to get out of the way but they don’t need to stop. you always lose time passing back markers. hamilton would have been further down the road and harder to overtake.
There's a major difference between "luck" and a race director handing you a win in the final laps by letting some cars unlap themselves but not others.
Oh yeah absolutely, just mentioning why RB felt they could pit Max again for the softs
They knew at best case they’d only have 2 laps to overtake and they weren’t doing that on the hards without pitting - Lewis was matching their pace. They threw the dice hoping the track would be cleared quickly and they’d let the lapped cars unlap themselves leaving them behind Lewis on new softs. They had nothing to lose.
You approach also has a lot of gaps and can also be very unfair. Depending on the occassion a safety car can be a more fair solution than above suggestion.
A red flag for example not only - just like a (non-virtual) safety car - eliminates all distances between the positions on track. But it can also give very (un)fair (dis)advantages to team who have already pitted just before the red flag comes out (like Lewis last week), way more than for example a safety car..
Im nog disagreeing with your reasoning in general, its just that there is nó one fair solution from the looks of it.. Different solutions have different pro's/cons..
Exactly, so it was basically Red Bull doing a Hail Mary gamble?
Whatever the appeal result is though, it is clear the FIA is done with Hamilton like they were with Schumacher and Vettel.
I'm not sure how he can remain in focus for next year. He won't win another title.
I'm not sure how he can remain in focus for next year. He won't win another title.
That will take a while
Before that there is a fia deadline of 15th December to agree new engine rules that are supposed to finalise the Honda to rb transition and encourage audi in for 2026
First order of business from merc will be to shit on that
Next will be to question the environmental credentials of f1 and should they commit or pull out
Because they are rich enough to pull out in February and leave 12 cars on the grid with engines and deal.with any compensation which can be spun as we took an environmental stand to commit to formula e
F1 can't survive having 12 cars and only ferrari Renault and red bull engines
Basically they can and imo should cripple f1 before it even goes to cas
Too much inconsistency in my opinion. Lap 1 Lewis should have been made to give the place back and final lap safety car with only certain cars between Max and Lewis was a joke. Undermines all the other drivers in the race still racing for points. Pitting under safety cars and changing tyres under red flag and lots of stuff like that need to be addressed and also the race ending under a safety car should also try to find ways not to let it happen.
Hamilton was a sitting duck today with that decision but the whole world was tuning into this race and to get lots of new viewers would be damaged by the title being decided under a safety car finish.
The rules and regulations definitely polishing and adjusting.
Hamilton was a sitting duck today with that decision but the whole world was tuning into this race and to get lots of new viewers would be damaged by the title being decided under a safety car finish.
The rules and regulations definitely polishing and adjusting.
Regardless of the CAS appeal Michael Masi is done as race director. This season has been a mess when its come to applying the rules properly. He ain't going to survive Mercedes wraith.
Hope lewis wins the title next year, gets no8 and retires as champion.
Hope lewis wins the title next year, gets no8 and retires as champion.
I asked you a question. Do you think Newey is wrong?
Did the untapped cars even get to the back of the pack before they let them go racing again?
He won't. It's very clear that the race director does not want him to win.
You can't fight against the race director if he stays, it's pointless.
I think you should apply to be head of Merc PR.
Can't agree the new rule changes without merc and that would stop audi coming inCripple F1?
You're having a great evening
And merc supply 40% of the engines now
So yes 100% they could cripple f1 and jump.into formula e
I dont disagree with any of your points. Mercedes have alot of power in F1 and could decide not to play ball and make life very difficult for the FIA.
I cant see Mercedes pulling out of f1 lock stock and barrel short of lewis retiring and totto stepping down as well. Totto was key in convincing the CEO of Daimler to keep Mercedes in F1 as a works team.
After the race. He said on balance they had the best car this season.
But since you entered the thread tonight bleating on about the "British" without any hint of irony about yourself and where you are from, then it's probably best not to worry about facts.
But if they had said from the start that the lapped cars could overtake the safety car, and knowing that Red Bull were on fresh rubber, then Merc could (would) have done the same, knowing that otherwise they'd be at a disadvantage.
The track position was lost because they changed their mind, at the last minute, about the lapped cars.
There are some diabolical posts in this thread. Max’s fans seem to still be angry despite him winning .
I’ve not seen any posts criticising Max for today, or for winning the WC, and rightly so. But some shouts of karma etc are just ridiculous.
It’s absolutely fair enough to be happy max won, to be happy Lewis didn’t, to think max deserved it etc.. But surely nobody can watch what happened in those last 5 laps and say without any doubt that it was absolutely fair. Masi decided that Max was going to win the WC. And that doesn’t sit right with me. I’d feel exactly the same if this was reversed by the way. Masi should go, but I don’t think Mercedes get anywhere with their appeal.
.I’ve not seen any posts criticising Max for today, or for winning the WC, and rightly so. But some shouts of karma etc are just ridiculous.
It’s absolutely fair enough to be happy max won, to be happy Lewis didn’t, to think max deserved it etc.. But surely nobody can watch what happened in those last 5 laps and say without any doubt that it was absolutely fair. Masi decided that Max was going to win the WC. And that doesn’t sit right with me. I’d feel exactly the same if this was reversed by the way. Masi should go, but I don’t think Mercedes get anywhere with their appeal.
ah sorry, i don’t read the good.
yep, which they’re well within their rights to do. bar the odd one, i don’t think anyone complaining about the result is moaning about max or red bull at all, just the injustice of how it was all decided by the fia. somehow the people taking it the worst seem to be max fans.
There wasn’t any bias in my opinion - they just wanted a final lap showdown and manufactured it by throwing out the rule book. Lewis should have been told to give the place back lap 1 so clearly they weren’t against Lewis - they just made an incredibly bad decision in a pressured environment and will now dig in on it because they’re fecked no matter what they do.
Should they though? F1 seems like pretty decent commercial value for the teams involved.
I mean, I'm sure they're sad, but in the end the heads of Mercedes like money more than they like Lewis Hamilton and I doubt Toto Wolff is the one making that call.
F1 changes its rules all the time when a champion is winning too much. It's in the history of the sport.
This is the first time they changed the rules in the middle of a race though, which I think crossed the line.
Max will win another 5 titles or so and then the tide will be against him. It's in the history.
Ola kallenius (ceo of damiler) has wanted to pull out for a while and have Mercedes go back to being an engine supplier only. Stuff like today may push them towards the exit or not.