It is reasonable to wonder what would have happened were the result reversed and Max/RB had been screwed on the last lap.
That's not accurate.
Fair enough, didn't know.
If Hamilton had won, he would have had the most points, with some elements of luck and fortune along the way, same as Verstappen.Yes. He would have been champion without being the best driver of the season. That is undeserved in my eyes.
He made too many mistakes in the first half of the season and lost too many points as a result.
At the end of the day, the best driver won the title, and that is uncontested if you look at the driver ratings.
These driver ratings on a race-by-race basis include scores from six different websites:
AMUS.de
Autosport.com
The-Race.com
PlanetF1.com
Crash.net
F1i.com
Five English speaking, one German speaking, no Dutch speaking.
It's not just decisions or luck. It's a literal break of the rules. Both drivers had decisions and luck go their way throughout the season, at different points. Only one driver had the rules broken for them.
For what it's worth: None of my friends are super into F1. Some watch the races, but that's it. This was the first time in years most of us watched and we actually talked about it afterwards. Even at work it was a topic. Everybody absolutely loved it, even though most favor Mercedes over Red Bull I can't speak for die hard F1 fans at all, but casuals and neutrals were universally thrilled from what I can tell.
It was great as a spectacle, no doubt about it. But so is Wrestlemania. Many people were talking about it in my office too, but not that they cared who was the champion, just the show of it all. Some who tried to digest it further in a sporting manner, did not understand what had happened at the end and needed someone (me) to explain it.
Stewards are on the track at lap 56 at turn 14, it would have taken until lap 57 for every car to unlap themselves as there are only two corners left. The safety car is supposed to come in the following lap (58) after the last car has unlapped itself.That's not accurate.
The truck moved away on lap 55 and by the time cars came through again you can see the last of the stewards exit over the barriers (pictured below)
They had more than half a lap of non-action before they unlapped cars.
My point was about the additional lap rather than allowing cars to unlap and that quote doesn't say anything about that.
Apologies my mistake re: timing of the truck.That's not accurate.
The truck moved away on lap 55 and by the time cars came through again you can see the last of the stewards exit over the barriers (pictured below)
They had more than half a lap of non-action before they unlapped cars.
Ultimately, you cite racing incidents and random tyre problems.Max lost 70 points because of Pirelli and Mercedes playing destruction derby in Baku, Silverstone and Hungary.
Lewis still lost
Then you cry about the 7 points you lost in Abu Dhabi.
-Giving half points for a farce at Spa (advantage Max)
Oh wow. This is classic evidence. Youtube likes = case closed.
Red Bull have also become a stain on the sport.
It's a funny thing, I've been quite an avid follower since the days of James Hunt's triumph in 1976, but I feel that this season finale is the straw that has finally broken the Camel's back for me.
Man, stop this gross injustice mode especially if you are painting other posters as verstappen fans.
“the fact this case has even reached cas is a farce. i put it to you, your honour, that pm_me-ur_fat_tits is perfectly happy with the outcome of the race. he instructs “salty hamilton ***** to sit on his fat one. max is da best. no collusion.” whom are we to interfere with the outcome of the race in the face of such overwhelming public support?”Oh wow. This is classic evidence. Youtube likes = case closed.
Maybe instead of juries, courts of law could ask YouTube comments section to rule in cases?
"Lewis..you will never... and the Marko means never..be 8-time world champion as long as Max is here"
I'd love if Mercedes & Hamilton are to become ice cold next year with a "feck the FIA" vibe.
I'd love it too. Sunglasses on all year round, "feck the FIA" t-shirt on, no interviews, just looking to drive Max off the track every opportunity.I'd love if Mercedes & Hamilton are to become ice cold next year with a "feck the FIA" vibe.
Typical Giovinazzi fanboy post.
Sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say?
But if the overtaking starts on Lap 56, even if it is towards the end of the lap, even though all lapped cars haven't overtaken cars on the lead lap, wouldn't the safety car still be pitting the following lap if it ended on Lap 57? That part I'm unclear about. In any case, I think the race director can be say the 'safety car is ending this lap' at any point, which is I think what the stewards argued (14.13). I just think it'd be less controversial if they'd unlap them all even if they couldn't join back up with the field.
Yeah, I guess you're right. He did seem quite keen getting the safety car in, and said later it was based on the agreement between teams about wanting to end races in the 'green' conditions. Still think they could've unlapped cars a bit earlier, which would make it less controversial (possibly). Problem would be whether all of them would get far enough in front for it not to matter.
He deserves something for being so magnanimous after that last race, in the face of blatant cheating.
Carry on. Because what happened was fundamentally wrong even if some choose to try and shut you down.
That’s not the argument that was being presented, it’s amazing how many people on here can’t even read.Oh wow. This is classic evidence. Youtube likes = case closed.
Maybe instead of juries, courts of law could ask YouTube comments section to rule in cases?
Not so.It's a funny thing, I've been quite an avid follower since the days of James Hunt's triumph in 1976, but I feel that this season finale is the straw that has finally broken the Camel's back for me.
Out with the old, and in with the new, that's evolution I suppose....
No the rules are that once the final car has unlapped itself the safety car comes in the following lap. The stewards know fully well that’s just a regulation written in to document the procedures. Not an overriding rule.
It's business. He knows that. They're all on the gravy train.
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I mean for my personal interests lasting in F1 any longer.
Strawman argument.
I really like these suggestions. After all, he's 1 guy and if he made a mistake, then that's completely understandable, especially under the circumstances and associated stress of that high pressure situation where a quick decision was being demanded.
Untrue. There is literally a radio message from Masi where he states both of these aspects of the rule from 2020.
don’t blame them. it’s exactly like when keith, the school bully, who did the “stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself” thing with your own fists then wants you to put in a good word with your sister.
They wont just stop supplying engines, they have contracts to abide to. Even if they leave f1 which wont happen.
No one ever said it would be instant. And I’d love to know on what basis you claim ther won’t leave?
