The Firestarter
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Some outright loons in this thread
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Of course. The guy is a cretin. He’ll turn up on celebrity big brother or something soon. Anything for attention.I'm sure Deeney will love to get attention from this story, he can gain some relevancy again.
It's not racist remark, so why wouldn't we moan about it?I don’t think anyone really thinks that he is racist. It’s obviously a cultural difference.
But the FA will make a stand, the guidelines are there so we can’t moan really
Why?Some outright loons in this thread
Oyh! There's a pecking order here of that coveted victimhood status, didn't you know?So he's being investigated for speaking Spanish because we're worried about racism. Very 2020.
He always tries to come across as the tough man who would run through a brick wall, until somebody actually asks him to of course.Of course. The guy is a cretin. He’ll turn up on celebrity big brother or something soon. Anything for attention.
I get what your saying. I do. What were talking about here is having respect for black culture. The word 'can' be interpreted in a negative way depending on its context. That is a fact. But what I dont get with it is that spanish people are being asked to respect others culture, rules etc but why cant people respect it for what it is in Spanish culture.? We live in a world where racism is rife, there is no denying that. But to punish someone under the guise of racism using a word in a non racist way seems barmy to me.You can absolutely say inappropriate things to black friends you know won't take offence to it, if your friendship works that way.
If you say those inappropriate things on social media though, you are liable to face backlash and (depending on your job) direct punishment. Because at that point you aren't just saying it to your black friend, you're sharing it with the world. Which is what Cavani did.
Hell, even if you just say those things in a room containing black people you don't know, you may well get a negative reaction. For all the talk about context in terms of intent, context in terms of audience matters at least as much.
The idea that something you do/say can't be deemed racist if you didn't intend for it to be hateful is so at odds with the way the world works that it's remarkable for it to still be used as excuse in 2020, after all the discussion on race we've had this year. If you like you can go into the Blackface thread and argue that it isn't racist if people aren't doing it out of spite, see how that goes.
The reality is that Cavani publicly referred to someone's race in a way that almost certainly contravenes the guidelines he is required to follow as a premier league footballer. Arguments about culture and context might add nuance to the discussion but they don't change the fact that he has done something that will likely be deemed inappropriate and (rightly) result in punishment.
Because the guidelines are there. Precedent has already been set before.It's not racist remark, so why wouldn't we moan about it?
Is this PabloFer2222 even black?In most south american countries, to say "negrito" is not even related to the skin colour. You can say it even to the white people. Its affective, just like say "my brother" or "my mate".
It was certainly defamation (though at the time there were other strange reports about this guy/if I recall, some even came from his fellow divers). Musk would have been advised to settle for $10m.maybe shouldn't have gone for that much, but don't tell me it was defamation - ridiculous decision by the court
He might not have known though, it might have been the club who told him to delete it.Because the guidelines are there. Precedent has already been set before.
He’s realised that it could be taken that way in the U.K. as he’s since deleted the post. If this had been a Liverpool player we’d all be laughing about it
You don’t know the media used.I'm allowed to make mistakes.
Which precedent are you referring to, can you be a bit more specific in your posts when you're making claims.Because the guidelines are there. Precedent has already been set before.
He’s realised that it could be taken that way in the U.K. as he’s since deleted the post. If this had been a Liverpool player we’d all be laughing about it
You should see it, lots of people just jump on it calling Cavani "idiot", that he should be banned/fined or apologise although he did nothing wrong. Society is fecked, whether you agree with it or not. The fact that this nonsense got so much attention and that there are so many people believing Cavani really did something wrong here just proves it. Most hilarious part here is the English trying to teach other cultures what they can say and what they can't by quite literally translating the words using a dictionary without knowing what it really means and how it's used. Pure arrogance and ignorance.Close to 100 % of the attention is from people like you whining about society, where is the bandwagon?
It was just a silly mistake or two, though. Guy knows his stuff and has never, EVER done anything wrong in his life. A true warrior in the fight against social injustices.You don’t know the media used.
You don’t know the country referenced.
But we should listen to your opinion on the language of South America.
Sorry. But no. Just stop.
Well he’s also commented that players should be able to decide for themselves if they have a concussion or are ok to carry on playing, so his views should generally be ignored.I'm sure Deeney will love to get attention from this story, he can gain some relevancy again.
That’s as English as it gets in fairness.Most hilarious part here is the English trying to teach other cultures what they can say and what they can't by quite literally translating the words using a dictionary without knowing what it really means and how it's used. Pure arrogance and ignorance.
I did not give any opinion on the language of South America, as much as I should read about this incident, you should read what I wrote.You don’t know the media used.
You don’t know the country referenced.
But we should listen to your opinion on the language of South America.
Sorry. But no. Just stop.
Did you hear that as well, thought I was imagining it at first? What an absolute idiot.Well he’s also commented that players should be able to decide for themselves if they have a concussion or are ok to carry on playing, so his views should generally be ignored.
You should see it, lots of people just jump on it calling Cavani "idiot", that he should be banned/fined or apologise although he did nothing wrong. Society is fecked, whether you agree with it or not. The fact that this nonsense got so much attention and that there are so many people believing Cavani really did something wrong here just proves it. Most hilarious part here is the English trying to teach other cultures what they can say and what they can't by quite literally translating the words using a dictionary without knowing what it really means and how it's used. Pure arrogance and ignorance.
All hail the amazing "Western" people. I wonder where the world would be without their divine interventions around the planet...Uruguayans should stop using such phrases of casual racism. Non western countries are very casual in using racial, ethenic terms. But that doesn't mean the West should accept those terms within their boundaries. Immigrants must respect the local culture and be aware of local issues regarding racisim.
Well "etc." doesn't make it half vagueRead on the BBC website that the rules changed at the start of this season at that any reference to somebody’s skin color, ethnicity, sexuality, etc, is a automatic 3 match ban minimum..
So a footballer can’t say “I was out with my gay mate Mark and had the most wonderful funny night”?Read on the BBC website that the rules changed at the start of this season at that any reference to somebody’s skin color, ethnicity, sexuality, etc, is a automatic 3 match ban minimum..
The inclusion of "face" is a figment of that posters' imagination. It does relate to skin colour though, whether you can extend that to "race" it's an entirely different thing.Thanks for that calm, detailed response.
Just to clarify something. A lot of the arguments on this thread seem to be around whether (1) he said something that isn't racist in his country/culture but is in the UK or (2) he said something that WHEN translated to English (which isn't always a perfect swap), is a racist term.
For example, someone said it literally means 'black face' and hence (as a term linked to the colour of the skin) is racist.
Is that a correct translation?
No.Because the guidelines are there. Precedent has already been set before.
He’s realised that it could be taken that way in the U.K. as he’s since deleted the post. If this had been a Liverpool player we’d all be laughing about it
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/sp...ussion-substitutes-after-david-luiz-plays-on/Did you hear that as well, thought I was imagining it at first? What an absolute idiot.
Those aren’t the rules, those are my words to summarize what I readWell "etc." doesn't make it half vague
Good rules are always vague. These are sort of people we should ask to come up with a definition of handball.
Out celebrating Paddys Day with McLean. Nobody drinks as much as the Irish..So a footballer can’t say “I was out with my gay mate Mark and had the most wonderful funny night”?
Didn’t hear it first hand, saw it on TwitterDid you hear that as well, thought I was imagining it at first? What an absolute idiot.
That's why I mentioned earlier in the thread about him wanting to come across as a tough guy.Didn’t hear it first hand, saw it on Twitter
A true man of culture. Respect.No.
It’s all noise. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the post. Some little-Englander has linked it to Suarez and its blown up.
A whole fcuking continent uses a word. English people apply a literal translation to that word and deem it racist.
Yet if anyone tries to apply a far slacker standard of language to criticise Churchill?..... whoah nelly!
England telling other cultures what to do is disgusting. We’re an inward looking little piss-pot nation of selfish idiots. We look for the world to shrink because we don’t have the humility to grow beyond the idea that ‘Britain is best’
This shit is exhausting. Yes I’m pissed off. This country is a shower.