ThinkTank@Cafe
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Stupid move. No matter what it means in your language, you should be aware of how it sounds and reads in the country where you live and work. It’s just common sense.
It’s Spanish, it doesn’t “read” anything in English.Stupid move. No matter what it means in your language, you should be aware of how it sounds and reads in the country where you live and work. It’s just common sense.
That makes no sense at all. The acceptance of words or phrases is cultural not language defined. I don't think anyone is saying it's equivalent to the N word that would be ridiculous. If that's why people are defending this then you're way off the mark.It's not inappropriate language when it is a different language.
Had he been speaking english and said the N word in English there would be no arguement. But he used a word that in his language doesn't translate to be offensive.
And with that said, it should be "case closed" - and thread likewise.Liverpool and Dalgliesh tried defending someone who had very obviously racially abused a black player. Cavanni has very clearly not racially abused anyone, so no, defending him does not mean straying into that territory.
Telling Cavanni that the word can come off as offensive to those unfamiliar with it, and advise him to avoid it in the future should be the end of it, really.
Because Suarez didn't say it.So wait, was he referring to us wearing the black kit?
I dont understand why else he would say that in a post about scoring a goal/ winning the game.
*Edit. ah just seeing the comments about apparently what he said loosely translates to 'my friend' in Uruguay?
If so, this is surely gonna throw up some massive arguments why its ok for Cavani to use it but not Suarez.
This is bringing back bad memories of when I was at school and a girl overheard me talking to a mate about Arnold Schwarzenegger, and thought I'd said the 'n word'. Threatened to tell the teachers!
Spent the whole day thinking I was going to get expelled and sent to prison or something for being labelled a racist. Obviously nothing to do with this incident, just triggered an uncomfortable memory.
Although, I guess if you use it as a metaphor, Liverpool fans would be that girl right now.
I really hope she went to Uni and contracted a really bad case of herpes! Knowing how the universe works though, she's probably a higher up in the foreign office or something
I didn’t mention English language. English people are capable of reading Spanish words because the two nations happen to use Latin alphabet. They (English) also able to pronounce the words they read (even in Spanish) and to find similarity to a racist word in their language.It’s Spanish, it doesn’t “read” anything in English.
and if you moved to Uruguay tomorrow, would you be aware of how every English word “sounds” and “reads” there @ThinkTank@Cafe
I called someone a cnut once in school and they spread that I called them the racist c word; had a mob of kids following me around looking to jump me, scary! Lucky for me nothing happened.This is bringing back bad memories of when I was at school and a girl overheard me talking to a mate about Arnold Schwarzenegger, and thought I'd said the 'n word'. Threatened to tell the teachers!
Spent the whole day thinking I was going to get expelled and sent to prison or something for being labelled a racist. Obviously nothing to do with this incident, just triggered an uncomfortable memory.
Although, I guess if you use it as a metaphor, Liverpool fans would be that girl right now.
I really hope she went to Uni and contracted a really bad case of herpes! Knowing how the universe works though, she's probably a higher up in the foreign office or something
I Guess you’re right mate. I just wish it wasn’t typical English!Well it is mate, I’m as English as it gets but this is typically English, has been for centuries since the Empire. We (and especially the aristocracy) love to tell other cultures how to behave and the “proper way”.
Just cause it’s typically English doesn’t tar all English with that brush (like you and myself).
Because footballers like your average employee sign up to social media policies. That's just a thing these days and you have to act within those or face consequences.What’s FA has to do with anything here at all? It involved an action outside of the pitch/conferences and for all we know it was directed to someone in close circles to him those if there was any racism on the display it should be dealt by police first and foremost.
Isn't that what I'm saying? Don't blow it out of proportion? Which is what hypocritical rags like the daily mail will do because he's a footballer.Don’t be naive. There will be kids trying the word out for size.
delete tweet, apologize and move on. Don’t bring so much attention to it so that kids seek it out to see what the fuss is. Whatever the FA will do, so be it
Are you implying people should not speak spanish in public while in UK? If you see people in public talking endearing too each other, even if it sounds racists, you wouldn't go accusing them of racism. You would just realize they are using their language. It's just common sense.Stupid move. No matter what it means in your language, you should be aware of how it sounds and reads in the country where you live and work. It’s just common sense.
How the hell is he supposed to be aware of every potential phrase that could be wrongly perceived in Britain?Stupid move. No matter what it means in your language, you should be aware of how it sounds and reads in the country where you live and work. It’s just common sense.
What who did? The Spanish were just as involved in slavery and Colonialism as Britain and many Latin Americans have a vast amount of European blood, and are more than happy to participate in the racism of their conquerors, more than happy.applauses!!!
btw, i'm south american, and proud of that, we use the physiognomy of people to make nick names, is not only based on race (which we don't see as something low but something different and is perfectly fine), we hav thousands of examples in football
"Cabezón (big head) Ruggeri", "flaco (skinny) Menotti" "Narigón (big nose) Bilardo" "Pelado (baldy) Almeyda" "Negro Enrique" "chino Tapia" "la bruja (witch for his nose) Berti"
the thing that you are trying to impose a whole continent to change it's ways because of what YOU did, is not in itself hypocritical, but another way of YOU thinking YOU are better than us
How many fecking times? You’d think someone called @ThinkTank@Cafe could actually think for himself, that isn’t what the FA findings show at all.Also, Cavani should be aware of the situation happened to his fellow countryman and a player of his own club years before. Then, he could figure out that posting “N” word is not wise move.
Stupid post. How would anyone be aware of how a word sounds and reads in a language they don’t speak? Knowing slightly similar sounding words in every single language in the world is common sense? You must be the greatest linguist the world has ever seenStupid move. No matter what it means in your language, you should be aware of how it sounds and reads in the country where you live and work. It’s just common sense.
How is it for Black people in places such as Brazil? let alone places where the black presence has literally been white washed such as Uraguay and Argentina? You are ignorant to the experience so you paint it off as an European problem, it is not, it’s a world problem..i didn't say is casual or harmless, i said is not racism
we don't think of a black person as a lower kind, is just a person who happens to be black
that's all
the fact that for centuries in europe and north america black people were treated as flawed doesnt affect us in the same way
you did it, not us
and, i assure you that my black friends or the friends we call black wont like that we stop calling them "black" because of what you in the north think
if that happens, then is going to be about race
I wish I was smart enough to think on my feet like that. Was genuinely a case of a horrible misunderstanding.Sounds like an excuse Suarez would use
I already answered the question 6 posts above yours. He did not mean anything bad and the story is inflated. Investigating a deleted post by FA is too much. Nevertheless, a star like Cavani should be more aware of what He posts.How the hell is he supposed to be aware of every potential phrase that could be wrongly perceived in Britain?
Inform the guy that referencing people in that way is considered derogatory in this country and move on! A ban would be absolutely ludicrous
Hmm not really the same as Suarez. By using it in the context he did, Suarez knew what he was doing. Cavani can claim genuine ignorance/cultural barrier. Especially since he’s only been in the country for 5 minutes.
At the same time, perhaps there needs to be more steps to educating foreign players, especially from Spanish speaking countries where ‘negro’ is the actual word for black and is apparently commonly used as a term of endearment so they may think it’s acceptable here.
Edit: wrong thread
It's a different language... it's like going to Uruguay and calling someone from England a prat and then you're getting called racist for it. Ludicrous. It's not an English word for god sake...Stupid move. No matter what it means in your language, you should be aware of how it sounds and reads in the country where you live and work. It’s just common sense.
Not sure whether you agree or are being sarcastic but to me it makes absolutely no sense at all. He's not said anything offensive. Maybe as a BAME person with a Latin wife I have a different perspective... who knows.Good work chaps.
He referred to someone using a term that references the colour of the skin. That appears to contravene the social media guidelines he is required to operate under. The fact that he did so in Spanish is only a defence if there is a waiver for doing so in a different language. Which I have yet to see any mention of.It is his private account, he can use any language he wants. Context is everything. I am Bosnian and if I write something in my own language, why should it matter what it means in other languages, if it has a friendly/non offensive meaning in my own language, regardless where I work.
Do you care to read the discussion on the board or just chasing the people who happened to have an argument with you in another thread?Stupid post. How would anyone be aware of how a word sounds and reads in a language they don’t speak? Knowing slightly similar sounding words in every single language in the world is common sense? You must be the greatest linguist the world has ever seen
Suarez saga is irrelevant to knowing better. Everyone linked to Suarez would have known it was him trying to wind up an opponent, not something that required a PhD in LinguisticsAfter the Suarez saga you would have thought Cavani or his team (not sure who actually posted it) would know better.