Is 'briefs' better?
Fabregas
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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No Ronaldo, No Bale, No Thiago, No Baines, No Fellaini and now no Fabregas. I wonder if Charlie Adam is for sale.
Jesus H. Christ.
It's still in the list of things that make me want to vomit, but marginally, yeah.
We'd win many, many trophies with him and Anderson in the middle. It's just a shame our fans don't seem to regard the pie eating contents highly though.
No way is 'briefs' better than 'underpants'. Jocks is my preferred nomenclature anyway.
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Munks, for me.
So where are we now in the Transfer League table? We must be hovering over the relegation zone at this stage. Moyes better get his fecking act together quick
What is it they say about scousers? Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing? There's a twist to be made there, surely.
Pleased by nothing, ashamed of it all?
I love the quality of some of the responses here.
Perhaps it would be best if I proclaimed how "embarrassed" we should all be, or how we're a shit club because City and Chelsea have spent gazillions and we haven't or how Moyes and Edward Woodward are morons. Or just a primal "feck sake".
Better?
You keep saying the same thing. When we bid a starting amount we know its not going to be accepted. But we are trying to gauge how much higher they want. Lets say our 35m for Cesc was accepted. If we started at 40m, would that be a bigger loss for us? They might have rejected our 40m first bid due to the fact that we would be willing to pay more than 40m which means he will cost us even more.
What are the feck are you talking about again? We NEED both a creative midfielder and a defensive mid. The latter is obviously going to be backup for Carrick. But Carrick cant go on forever, so we need a replacement soon.
How can either of you be arsed with this speculative to-ing and fro-ing with zero idea of what actually went on?
I lost interest in this thread hours ago. Is there any reason why it's still rumbling on?
Same reason for most of the 290 pages.
I can totally see how this could be the case.
But I still can't see why we ever thought £25-30m would do the trick. Barcelona bought him for £27m from Arsenal and have to split the profit on any sale with them. If we wanted Barcelona to consider the bid (in the hope that if they agree it Cesc will come here) it had to be attractive and lucrative for them. None of those bids are even close, given that there's barely any profit in there at all for them and they already lost a CM this window.
I guess we figured Barcelona (while not keen on selling) would eventually accept a bid as they have spent a lot on Neymar and need to buy a centre back. So we decided to offer low and gradually increase it until it got to the point that they couldn't refuse. We were basically trying to get the best deal possible, confident that they would eventually have to sell.
It's not unusual to make a low bid to start off with. Chelsea did it with Rooney and Arsenal did it with Suarez. Neither of those bids were ever going to be accepted, it's just a starting point. I think we were prepared for a drawn out negotiation from the beginning.
Too macho. 'Boxers' for me.
Ruud10 is the gift that keeps on giving.
Sky actually showed that table earlier. We're 17th with £2.4 million spent, ahead of Newcastle, Arsenal and some other team who have all spent nothing.
I understand its a common negotiating tool. However unlike with Rooney/Suarez, this wasn't a player they particularly wanted to sell, or who particularly wanted to leave, so its a bit of different to standard transfer bidding. We needed to hit that price where Barcelona felt, 'ok, we weren't keen on selling but this is too good to refuse' - neither of those bids were anywhere near.
No, that would be equally terrible. Are those the only alternatives?
Who's talking underpants? You're speaking my language
Must be catching. I mentioned them in the Ronaldo thread earlier.
Don't know if it's better, but it certainly isn't worse.
To the Ronaldo thread!
At least it'd be a less long winded and much less pretentious way of unveiling your ignorance.
I think he uses pretentiousness to disguise the fact he is completely out of his depth on matters of football let alone United.
He has a superb way of taking ages to say feck all, I'll hand him that. He's not alone in that posting style, but he is one of the 'best'.
Personally I find it a bit too contrived. Still, he obviously puts a lot of effort into it.
I was going to quote your unedited post. It was much better. Why didn't you leave it alone?
Got it now.
?I was going to quote your unedited post. It was much better. Why didn't you leave it alone?
What did you think I said?
That post hasn't been edited.
Nonsense... only the most essential key players in any team go for more than £40-50m (In fact, nobody does other than Ronaldo so far). There's no way Barca would have turned down a bid over £40m.
Apparently we were in for Cesc Fabregas of Barcelona
That's the thing. I think you quickly get an idea of the ball-park you'll have to pay. We clearly never came close. The bids we've heard of are £25m and £30m... you think we'd have bothered if Barca were looking for over £50m?
My best guess is that his price is round about £40m and we thought we'd try around £30m. If Barca happen to decide that they can use the money and we succeed, then we've got a bargain. If, as was always more likely, they hold out for £40m, then at least we've been seen to be trying for the sort of player we need.
Wait.... he's staying at Barca?
Well, I never saw that coming.
Well, I never saw that coming.
Jesus, you doom and gloom cnut, the window is still open, he still might come.
This is the bit I don't get tbh. Talk about a short term hit... look at the state of everybody in here now, sobbing and bickering like the worst Monday morning come-down in history. And more specifically, as and when we sign Fellaini, he's seen as 3rd choice and the man none of us wanted - what a way to undermine your main signing of the summer.
Without all this Thiago and Fabregas nonsense we could have all got right into the idea of signing Fellaini and welcomed him as our midfield saviour - hell there were plenty on him crying out for us to sign him nearly a year ago, well before we knew Moyes was coming!
On second thoughts though, maybe we'll bollocks up signing Fellaini too, and end up with Eboue.
Because everyone knows United's need for a top-class midfield and a first marquee signing in the Moyes era, personally I think Barcelona would have held out for £50m.
I must've missed the part where Barca would be sure to sell at that price
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