If Barcelona accept a bid for him, its tantamount to saying he isnt wanted or needed. That could easily change his perception. Its still very unlikely, though.
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Let's be fair about this.
Carrick has been sensational, even if it took some posters several years to recognize it.
Valencia has been just short of sensational, apart from last season. As for last season, sometimes it just happens.
Anderson has been a tits up disaster, no question about it. You can see the talent, to be sure, but what matters is productivity on the pitch and Ando has provided very little of it over the last 6 or 7 seasons.
Young was never brought in to be a straight replacement for Ronaldo. He was brought in as a good squad man, which he is. Yes, he's disappointed me as much as everyone else, but if he's looked at as a squad man and nothing else he's actually pretty decent.
You've conveniently ignored Nani, who in my book has straddled the line between being sensational and merely very good. There is the problem of consistency, which no one on the caf has ever denied. But when he's on, he's on.
Hargreaves had that brilliant first season, but I blame the physio staff his botched recoveries.
Bebe, a disaster. Why this one happened I have no idea. Can it really be true that Fergie authorized a 7m purchase without every looking at the boy once? There has to be a backstory on this one.
I still consider Kagawa to be a midfielder, or at least to have some of the attributes of a midfielder.
Our transfer record isn't "poor", but we have been hit with bad luck. We've also been unlucky that players who seemed to have pen in hand ready to sign on the dotted line -- Nasri, Hazard and Moura come to mind -- and those deals all got hijacked by corrupt oil money.
Rose tinted specs, I'm afraid. Cesc's entering his peak years - he left the man who made him what he is because he couldn't offer trophies. Why would he go back given that he still hasn't won any trophies?
Helmed by a manager who's never won a big trophy. I'd be worried if SAF were still in charge but Moyes is a different situation.
Quotes in the media are for P.R. and little else. My take:
Makes no sense for Fabregas to risk his relationship with Barcelona fans by saying he'd be open to leaving... virtually no players do that in football, not even players who look like they are halfway out the door. Thiago never said a word about leaving until he had signed a contract at Bayern.
He also says the idea that he doesn't want to play for Barca "completely absurd"... well yes, why wouldn't he want to play for Barca? That doesn't mean if Barca accept a bid for him he would reject it outright.
Everything that I've ever read suggests that a number of Italian clubs enquired about Giggs, but it ultimately never went any further.
You can almost see all the Arsenal lads trying to convince themselves more then anything that this will never happen 
Please carry on...its a joy to see.
Please carry on...its a joy to see.
Players say a lot of things. I'm sure that RVP said the same thing about Arsenal around 100 times.
If he no longer feels that he's in Barca's plans, well then he might be considering a move. There has to be something in this, or else we wouldn't have made a bid. It's completely out of character for us to make a 25m bid for absolutely no reason at all.
I'm not going to say it will never happen because I thought the same about RVP.
But I really think this one is unlikely. There really seems no will from Fabregas to leave neither would it make sense for Barca to sell.
But I really think this one is unlikely. There really seems no will from Fabregas to leave neither would it make sense for Barca to sell.
They did. Possibly Juve too, if memory serves.
I've no idea if we've a chance to sign him. Do you?
We've made an offer, you'd presume in the hope it's accepted. Do you think we have no money? Do you think we don't want to sign anyone? Do you think a failure in the transfer market is going to appease anyone? What would be the point in making a low bid that we know won't be accepted? How does losing out on players by not bidding enough prove we have money? If anything it proves the complete opposite.
His main motive was to play for the boyhood club though, I believe. He wouldn't have moved had Barcelona been fighting for top 4 spot while Arsenal were winning trophies though, in the alternate universe.
Well I for one am willing to say that there is absolutely zero chance of this happening this summer. No ifs no buts.
But that's only because if it did happen I'd be so ecstatic I wouldn't give a flying feck about anything else.
But that's only because if it did happen I'd be so ecstatic I wouldn't give a flying feck about anything else.
Not being funny Grinner, but how much has Wenger won since Moyes became a premier league manager? Not a fecking lot in the last few years managing a big club with a bigger budget. I know Wenger is a more proven manager but United is a safer bet for any player given where we are in comparison. TBH it's not even close man.
That just supports my point; his main motivation is trophies. He wants trophies like every other player and he was able to win some with his hometown club, bonus.
If Wenger had been available would you have taken him over Moyes?
still!It's all a ruse guys. We're proving we have money by failing to sign someone because we can't afford him.
Yes, if Fabgregas is prepared to leave I would think Arsenal would be a far less attractive option to him than United. City or even Chelsea over Arsenal IMHO. Arsenal barely tread the CL waters while United keep lifting trophies. The massive wild card, however, is the new manager. As much as we're all behind Moyes if you're a "world class" footballer it's a bit of a risk to leave your club and play for Moyes. Moyes may prove to be the next Ferguson but he hasn't proven it yet. And who wants to be the guinea pig that proves he's not up to the job? The counterweight to that is the quality of the squad. We're definitely a rung below Bayern and Barcelona right now but with the addition of Fabregas we're suddenly right there with those two -- maybe not as good as those two but close enough to make it very interesting.
And if rumors are to be believed, Moyes has been given the green light to go all in for Ronaldo. If, somehow, we were able to bring in both Fabregas and Ronaldo I'd go so far as to say we'd piss and shit all over Bayern and Barcelona.
Now that Arsenal have lifted the wage ceiling, perhaps he may give them a second chance.
The first seems to be the case. The latter, though...Fabregas hasn't been a huge success for them, and if we are to believe people who know Barca far better than yours truly he isn't really cut out to be Xavi's successor (as many thought he'd be when he returned). It may well be that Barca wouldn't mind letting him go and use the money to secure, say, Thiago Silva. At first glance it appears crazy to let both Thiago A. and Fabregas go in the same window, but if the view is that these players, good as they are, don't really fit the Barca system - well, different story altogether.
And if Barca feel that way about Fabregas his own feelings towards Barca might alter very rapidly. If he's not wanted, he might not want to stick around - that's common sense, really.
You don't think Chelsea or City would try and hijack this deal if it started going down?
£35 million should do the trick.
Get on it Moyes.
Get on it Moyes.
The idea of Moyes being "unproven" is really no different to Tito becoming Barca manager last season - I know things weren't ideal for them last season, but the club won a big trophy because of the experience within the rest of the coaching staff and playing squad. We're not going to suddenly fall off a cliff. Yes, we may not be as fearsome, but we're going to be very competitive.
Probably. Still doesn't change my point which is that United are in a much better place than Arsenal at the moment.
Maybe they would - then we'll have to see where he wants to go. City were in for RvP, weren't they?
Like I said I can't imagine we would have made a bid, if we have, without sounding out Barca and probably Fabreas. I'd agree that Fabregas probably is inclined to stay but I would expect nothing less, he's worked hard to get back there, I'm sure he'd like to properly establish himself. But if as has been suggested Barca can be tempted by the right offer I would expect he would be interested in a move to united. The Arsenal stuff about first option or whatever isn't really that important as it's up to the player ultimately.
Distinct possibility, I'd say.
I'd worry if Chelsea came in, but City seem to be unable to attract world class players for a good while now.
Yawn all you like. But in terms of respective clubs, Moyes' record of getting Everton to where they are, is far better then Wenger's.
Say what you like, the case can be made that you are looking at a possible period of wilderness years. A player like Cesc would weigh that up in his decision and I don't think he'd risk it.
It's a fair point Grinner when we hear Gunners mocking Moyes lack of trophies they need to look closer to home during the same period Moyes has been in the top flight with a much (currently) smaller club.
Most of my posts have been arguing with retards who seem to think the way to prove you have money as a club is by failing to sign players through not having enough money to pay the asking price, in fairness.
I refuse to invest in this one on the basis that the previous one hurt too much. My right wrist is still not back to normal, I haven't done a scrap of work in two weeks, and my wife can barely remember my name. I'm out!
It's no surprise that Nev's near the top there. He likes to give off this impression that he doesn't care or doesn't get excited or doesn't jump on the rollercoaster but he's the biggest transfer muppet of them all.
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