Do they still force you to have Facebook to use Tinder ? I would've thought they did away with that by now.I've only had a Facebook account for the purpose of using Tinder, mainly because all social media is full of shitbags and therefore dominated by shitbags. Anyway does this mean Zuckerberg knows my sexual history?
No.Do they still force you to have Facebook to use Tinder ? I would've thought they did away with that by now.
Exactly my thoughts on it. If people are granting permissions without reading what they're saying yes to that's their own fault. I also agree the data needs to be secure, absolutely.I thought so too.
When I had an Android phone a few years back I was surprised at how explicit it is when downloading an app what information it can access and store. Everything from accessing your contacts, to reading your messages. Not surprising.
And I've no issue with giving a company access to this information, though they need to be better and do more at ensuring the information is secure.
That's only partly true.Exactly my thoughts on it. If people are granting permissions without reading what they're saying yes to that's their own fault. I also agree the data needs to be secure, absolutely.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/03/terms-of-service-online-contracts-fine-printIt’s not clear that such design tweaks change people’s behavior that much. But there’s a larger problem with this approach: reading an average American’s digital contracts would take almost 250 hours a year. That burden, if anyone took it seriously, would be exhausting.
More importantly, it’s reasonable to ask if this taking up this burden – or any term-reading at all – is rational. After all, an individual who depends on Google, Facebook or Twitter is not in a position to negotiate her own separate agreement. Why spend time on a contract you can neither change nor refuse?
Everyone knows and despises this. Problem is what can you do? Even today on my new phone I tried to download my payslip on to the phone because I wanted to attach it to another email (cleanly, not via email forwarding). Just to download the damn thing I was asked to give permission for my docs, contacts, etc, to be shared. I clicked Deny and that was that. So I had to click Accept knowing exactly what was happening. I had to get that payslip out and had no access to a laptop at the time.Exactly my thoughts on it. If people are granting permissions without reading what they're saying yes to that's their own fault. I also agree the data needs to be secure, absolutely.
This paragraph is almost entirely at odds with your position regarding Cambridge Analytica’s effect or influence last week.in most cases it is human brains acting the way they're designed to, and companies with huge financial resources, a wealth of data and a scary understanding of our subconscious responses exploiting that. The system is not designed well for true consumer protection.
I don‘t think that‘s true. Educating people for a behaviour they have already deeply internalised is hard besides it‘s not like people have much choice anyway. The simplest step forward is either introduce real choice as in either free service vs data extraction OR paying and no data or even better marginalize the concept of notice & choice (notice & consent) and focus on how the data is used, transparency and redress (broadening the definition of what is harm in the legal sense to intangible damage included).The simplest step forward is educating people on the risks associated with the decisions they make and the actions they can take to prevent that.
Only if you interpret it through an agenda-driven lens. They're good at tricking us to do things we shouldn't want to do, like giving away lots of data we shouldn't need to. The companies aren't yet very good at doing much of significance with that, though. Nothing more than they could do a couple of decades ago anyway, in the context of driving real political change. It's just they're doing it in higher volume.This paragraph is almost entirely at odds with your position regarding Cambridge Analytica’s effect or influence last week.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43480978Aleksandr Kogan said:He also said the accuracy of the dataset had been "exaggerated" by Cambridge Analytica, and had been more likely to hurt than help Mr Trump's campaign.
Alexander Nix said:We had a relationship with GSR, they did some work for us in 2014. That research proved to be fruitless.
I mostly agree - that's kind of what I meant in the following sentences. By simplest I meant it's the easiest step to think of, but ultimately it can only do so much.I don‘t think that‘s true. Educating people for a behaviour they have already deeply internalised is hard besides it‘s not like people have much choice anyway. The simplest step forward is either introduce real choice as in either free service vs data extraction OR paying and no data or even better marginalize the concept of notice & choice (notice & consent) and focus on how the data is used, transparency and redress (broadening the definition of what is harm in the legal sense to intangible damage included).
Don‘t get me wrong education is always nice but it‘s hard. One way that intuitively makes sense imo is the introduction of labels for data extraction like we know from chemicals.
Alternatively you can unfollow your friends and pages, which is what I did. It keeps my news feed absolutely quiet, but I can still keep in contact.Deleted my facebook account today, not because of the scandal because I've always been aware of it, it just feels like such a waste of time and energy for things that are fed to me by facebook themselves, most of them not "real" to begin with.
But I think I have too much down time now it kinda makes me restless. So weird a thing you hate can still affect you so much.
You can’t just dismiss that though. The sophistication to it isn’t that it’s a 99.99% accurate technique first time every time method. It’s the sheer relentlessness of the supervised learning model. They produce an advert, publish it, monitor its impact and then make a slight adjustmet. A word, a font, an image, a colour, the time of day, the subject of the image, you name it and it’s treated as a variable.Only if you interpret it through an agenda-driven lens. They're good at tricking us to do things we shouldn't want to do, like giving away lots of data we shouldn't need to. The companies aren't yet very good at doing much of significance with that, though. Nothing more than they could do a couple of decades ago anyway, in the context of driving real political change. It's just they're doing it in higher volume.
I did unfollow all the pages and most of my friends, but my question is that in your case, what is then on your news feed?Alternatively you can unfollow your friends and pages, which is what I did. It keeps my news feed absolutely quiet, but I can still keep in contact.
Only the University of California San Francisco page, which has updates on a clinical trial for an implanted kidney device. Other than that, it’s empty. If I want to see anything, I go directly to a friend’s feed. It keeps me disengaged with the shit posting from everyone, but provides a channel for communication should anyone wish to do so. It’s essentially a Myspace.I did unfollow all the pages and most of my friends, but my question is that in your case, what is then on your news feed?
I agree they're only going to get better, but I'm inclined to agree with the guy who produced the model that it is more likely to harm than hurt. Nix is a bullshit merchant but it is entirely possible they just stopped using it once the inaccuracy of it was exposed. That's a separate thing to the ad testing you're talking about. The model was something built to target people - they claimed they had however many thousands of data points on everyone in the US. Utter bollocks. It's cool that their model could reasonably generate that much data but it'll be rubbish data. That's the first stage.You can’t just dismiss that though. The sophistication to it isn’t that it’s a 99.99% accurate technique first time every time method. It’s the sheer relentlessness of the supervised learning model. They produce an advert, publish it, monitor its impact and then make a slight adjustmet. A word, a font, an image, a colour, the time of day, the subject of the image, you name it and it’s treated as a variable.
From there they find the most effective adverts and the findings are applied to future adverts. Thinking back to your argument about the accuracy of the tests you carried out using theirs or similar systems, the point is that it’s data and they will combine the data they owned and used to build their original models with the data they collect from feedback and the methods used to exploit it and the data sets themselves will only become richer and more accurate.
That only happens on Samsung phones iirc. I could delete it on my Nexus and older iPhones before.So today I discovered you can't actually delete Facebook off your phone, I've never used Facebook and my only profile on there was created by my wife years ago in a bit to get me on there, it was also deactivated a few years ago seeing as I didn't use it and my Wife also grew tired of the shite on there and also deactivated hers. So here we are with all this news about them collecting data I thought, you know what, im just gonna delete it off my phone completely. Nope, all you can do is 'force stop' (Does this mean it was still even running is some capacity despite me never using it on my current phone) and there's also an option to 'disable app' but no option there to delete it permanently.
I'm on a Sony Xperia, it must come as a baked in app that you just cant delete.That only happens on Samsung phones iirc. I could delete it on my Nexus and older iPhones before.
Yeah some phones have that as bloatware. Samsung has it because it used facebook authentication for VR apps, at least that's their reasoning. Not sure why Sony does.I'm on a Sony Xperia, it must come as a baked in app that you just cant delete.
Did you actually delete it or just soft delete ?Deleted my facebook account today, not because of the scandal because I've always been aware of it, it just feels like such a waste of time and energy for things that are fed to me by facebook themselves, most of them not "real" to begin with.
But I think I have too much down time now it kinda makes me restless. So weird a thing you hate can still affect you so much.
Was a soft delete. Let's be honest here I'm not that strong. In all seriousness, all my friends and family from overseas are on it, I want a way to communicate when I need it sometimes.Did you actually delete it or just soft delete ?
That's generally what I do as well. Turn it off (soft delete), which takes all of 15 seconds to do and then occasionally turn it back on for a weekend or so if I feel the urge get in touch with anyone. But as you say, once you've reconnected with old friends from a long time ago, its difficult to make the final move to hard delete your account for fear of permanently losing touch with them. Therefore the 90/10 soft delete solution works best for me, and since I never post images, articles, or any other content any more, I'm not bothered about them collecting any data.Was a soft delete. Let's be honest here I'm not that strong. In all seriousness, all my friends and family from overseas are on it, I want a way to communicate when I need it sometimes.
Amazon is a pretty evil company. They have put thousands of business out of business by selling stuff with prices that no one else can. In fact, Amazon has always been in the red, but their stocks value increases simply cause they are killing the competition.Because Amazon is the only way you can stream media and shop online, right?... right?
Wal-Mart 2.0.Amazon is a pretty evil company. They have put thousands of business out of business by selling stuff with prices that no one else can. In fact, Amazon has always been in the red, but their stocks value increases simply cause they are killing the competition.
They represent everything which is wrong with capitalism. Btw, I use them a lot.
I agree with all of this, but I'm just pointing out that Trump is chasing a white whale here. They've not created a monopoly.Amazon is a pretty evil company. They have put thousands of business out of business by selling stuff with prices that no one else can. In fact, Amazon has always been in the red, but their stocks value increases simply cause they are killing the competition.
They represent everything which is wrong with capitalism. Btw, I use them a lot.
The problem with Amazon from a competition point of view is their monopsony in various sectors I think.I agree with all of this, but I'm just pointing out that Trump is chasing a white whale here. They've not created a monopoly.
I really don’t see what makes them evil tbh. This is the cornerstone of innovation. Markets are always disrupted when you bring the solution to people rather than people having to go to the solution. Yes there are countless little stores that have gone out of business, but no business has the inherent right to survive. Economies evolve and in the evolution jobs are lost in some areas and gained in another. Are Netflix evil because they put Blockbuster out of business?Amazon is a pretty evil company. They have put thousands of business out of business by selling stuff with prices that no one else can. In fact, Amazon has always been in the red, but their stocks value increases simply cause they are killing the competition.
They represent everything which is wrong with capitalism. Btw, I use them a lot.
I would probably recommend not picking a fight with the CIA and FBI simultaneously either but, eh, what do I know...?President of the United States or not. One person I wouldn’t pick a fight with is the richest man in the world.
That reads like a punch line.Amazon is a pretty evil company. They have put thousands of business out of business by selling stuff with prices that no one else can. In fact, Amazon has always been in the red, but their stocks value increases simply cause they are killing the competition.
They represent everything which is wrong with capitalism. Btw, I use them a lot.
It is exploiting the bizarre nature of capitalism. They sell goods with losses, but are fine cause as long as their competitions die (and here I am talking more for the small shops rather than ebay or Alibaba) their stocks go up.I really don’t see what makes them evil tbh. This is the cornerstone of innovation. Markets are always disrupted when you bring the solution to people rather than people having to go to the solution. Yes there are countless little stores that have gone out of business, but no business has the inherent right to survive. Economies evolve and in the evolution jobs are lost in some areas and gained in another. Are Netflix evil because they put Blockbuster out of business?
Nothing wrong with selling cheaper goods.Amazon is a pretty evil company. They have put thousands of business out of business by selling stuff with prices that no one else can. In fact, Amazon has always been in the red, but their stocks value increases simply cause they are killing the competition.
They represent everything which is wrong with capitalism. Btw, I use them a lot.
For as long as trading has existed, people buy stuff cheaper than they sell. For amazon that isn't the case, they can sell stuff cheaper than they have bought as long as their stock value goes up. And their stock value goes up while they grow.Nothing wrong with selling cheaper goods.
Don't businesses simply open up storefronts within Amazon ?For as long as trading has existed, people buy stuff cheaper than they sell. For amazon that isn't the case, they can sell stuff cheaper than they have bought as long as their stock value goes up. And their stock value goes up while they grow.
For almost every quarter of their existence they have reported losses, but now are almost becoming the richest company in the world, and their CEO has become the richest man in the planet. While tens of thousands of businesses go out cause it is totally impossible to compete against them.
Obviously if you take over the market by innovation then that is fair enough but Amazon also accumulates a lot of market power through M&A which imo should be regulated. There should be regulation for the other parts too, those they gained through instrinsic growth (innovation) because there is no competition keeping them in check.I really don’t see what makes them evil tbh. This is the cornerstone of innovation. Markets are always disrupted when you bring the solution to people rather than people having to go to the solution. Yes there are countless little stores that have gone out of business, but no business has the inherent right to survive. Economies evolve and in the evolution jobs are lost in some areas and gained in another. Are Netflix evil because they put Blockbuster out of business?
We might need another thread here but why is this evil?For as long as trading has existed, people buy stuff cheaper than they sell. For amazon that isn't the case, they can sell stuff cheaper than they have bought as long as their stock value goes up. And their stock value goes up while they grow.
For almost every quarter of their existence they have reported losses, but now are almost becoming the richest company in the world, and their CEO has become the richest man in the planet. While tens of thousands of businesses go out cause it is totally impossible to compete against them.
Key difference here was that Roosevelt was smart.Why not? Rockefeller got fecked in the ass by Roosevelt.
I think it's bit like ebay. You are usually given a choice which company to buy it from. Whether it be new or otherwise. In any case Amazon will see a chunk of that of course.Don't businesses simply open up storefronts within Amazon ?