Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars

[Cutch]

I also think 2 games a day for 1st round if possible. Will drag on a bit too long otherwise

 

[Moby]

Welcome back, my loyal servant. (No home, important to say in this case)

Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito 8. Ferdinand 9. Cohen 10. Careca 11. Gregg
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin 8. Lúcio 9. Leandro 10. Grosso 11. Sneijder 12. Luis Cubilla
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack 7. Lizarazu 8. Burgnich 9. Hidegkuti 10. Danilo 11. Stiles 12. Roma
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates 7. Andrade 8. Van Hanegem 9. Maier 10. Piola 11. Rattin 12. Geoff Hurst
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi 7. Figo 8. Zoff 9. Eyzaguirre 10. Hagi 11. Marinho Chagas 12. František Plánička
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir 7. Cabrini 8. C. Maldini 9. Clodoaldo 10. Voronin 11. Jair 12. Taffarel
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna 7. Schiaffino 8. Kahn 9. Julinho 10. Mauro Ramos 11. Buzánszky 12. Szymaniak
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6. Pirlo 7. Messi 8. Caniggia 9.Branco 10. Grosics 11. Novak 12.
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm 7. Vicente Lucas 8. Bellini 9. Stam 10. Zambrotta 11. Carrizo 12. Gerets
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri 7. Tarantini 8. Leonel Sanchez 9. Mauro Silva 10. Ricardo Zamora 11. Hamrin 12. Buffon
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz 7. Tostao 8. Manuel Amoros 9. Banks 10. Rummenigge 11. Klinsmann 12. Preud’homme
Balu 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer 7. Forlan 8. Gilmar 9. Ceulemans 10. Haan 11. Schwarzenbeck 12. Willi Schulz
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior 7. Mazurkiewicz 8. Gamarra 9. Seeler 10. Chilavert 11. Carvalho 12. Rodríguez Andrade
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia 7. Briegel 8. Lato 9. Zagallo 10. Jorginho 11. Roma 12. Fillol
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi 7. Monti 8. Nesta 9. F Albert 10. F Walter 11. Goycochea 12. Ayala
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Schnellinger 4. Zanetti 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi 7. Perfumo 8. Vavá 9. Gascoigne 10. Cerezo 11. Carbajal 12. Asamoah

 

[Cutch]

Gio's already picked him Aldo

 

[Gio]

Roma's already signed a lucrative contract with Team Gio.

 

[Moby]

Oh shit.

 

[Moby]

Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito 8. Ferdinand 9. Cohen 10. Careca 11. Gregg
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin 8. Lúcio 9. Leandro 10. Grosso 11. Sneijder 12. Luis Cubilla
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack 7. Lizarazu 8. Burgnich 9. Hidegkuti 10. Danilo 11. Stiles 12. Escuti
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates 7. Andrade 8. Van Hanegem 9. Maier 10. Piola 11. Rattin 12. Geoff Hurst
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi 7. Figo 8. Zoff 9. Eyzaguirre 10. Hagi 11. Marinho Chagas 12. František Plánička
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir 7. Cabrini 8. C. Maldini 9. Clodoaldo 10. Voronin 11. Jair 12. Taffarel
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna 7. Schiaffino 8. Kahn 9. Julinho 10. Mauro Ramos 11. Buzánszky 12. Szymaniak
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6. Pirlo 7. Messi 8. Caniggia 9.Branco 10. Grosics 11. Novak 12.
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm 7. Vicente Lucas 8. Bellini 9. Stam 10. Zambrotta 11. Carrizo 12. Gerets
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri 7. Tarantini 8. Leonel Sanchez 9. Mauro Silva 10. Ricardo Zamora 11. Hamrin 12. Buffon
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz 7. Tostao 8. Manuel Amoros 9. Banks 10. Rummenigge 11. Klinsmann 12. Preud’homme
Balu 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer 7. Forlan 8. Gilmar 9. Ceulemans 10. Haan 11. Schwarzenbeck 12. Willi Schulz
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior 7. Mazurkiewicz 8. Gamarra 9. Seeler 10. Chilavert 11. Carvalho 12. Rodríguez Andrade
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia 7. Briegel 8. Lato 9. Zagallo 10. Jorginho 11. Roma 12. Fillol
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi 7. Monti 8. Nesta 9. F Albert 10. F Walter 11. Goycochea 12. Ayala
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Schnellinger 4. Zanetti 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi 7. Perfumo 8. Vavá 9. Gascoigne 10. Cerezo 11. Carbajal 12. Asamoah\

 

[RoadTrip]

@Balu who else picked two keepers? I only did it because I shafted myself with Zoff

 

[Moby]

Gio and anto have two.

 

[RoadTrip]

Interesting lol

 

[crappycraperson]

I have two as well. Zamora and Buffon

 

[Desert Eagle]

I pick
José Altafini

 

[Theon]

He looks really small

 

[Balu]

@Balu who else picked two keepers? I only did it because I shafted myself with Zoff

I wanted two as well, but Anto picked my 2nd choice keeper, so I went with another centerback as a sub. It could be helpful to have a pre and a post '72 keeper for the reinforcements later.

 

[Moby]

He looks really small

Yeah he's short going by the GK standards. Just 5 ft 10.

 

[antohan]

I thought about discussing it when he was picked, but then decided, it's not worth it. If the players fit each other on the pitch, then I'm fine. I'd have much more problem with someone trying to play Cruyff and Maradona in the same team, as van Hanegem next to Matthäus in midfield.

What I still don't understand is what was the need to pick van Hanegem when Cerezo was available. Better for the role, better fit with the other two, no issues with the Krauts behind him, wouldn't have ended up scrambling for non-Europeans at the end... Bizarre really. Theon must have been mesmerised by something he read or saw about him, no idea what exactly.

 

[antohan]

Tentative schedule

1st round
Match 1 - 2 Jan
Match 2 - 4 Jan
Match 3 - 7 Jan
Match 4 - 9 Jan
Match 5 - 11 Jan
Match 6 - 14 Jan
Match 7 - 16 Jan
Match 8 - 18 Jan

Break of 5 days before draft of 4 rounds start on 23 Jan, before the QF draw

I know it's a bit picky but could I be on 7th or 16th? I'll struggle with the other dates as we are on holidays in the beach!

 

[antohan]

Welcome back, my loyal servant. (No home, important to say in this case)

Your flying pig has been picked already Aldo.

 

[antohan]

Interesting lol

The logic is that you can easily swap keepers without affecting your side significantly and that provides flexibility going forward. I now can't play Mazurkiewicz, but if I were to reinforce with post-70s starters I can free up a slot by playing Mazurka instead of Chilavert. It's actually quite clever... if there are more rounds ahead!

 

[antohan]

I wanted two as well, but Anto picked my 2nd choice keeper, so I went with another centerback as a sub. It could be helpful to have a pre and a post '72 keeper for the reinforcements later.

How was Mazurka Gilmar's 2nd choice? Or do you mean Chilavert?

 

[Balu]

How was Mazurka Gilmar's 2nd choice? Or do you mean Chilavert?

I wanted Chilavert, yes.

 

[antohan]

Oh, good thing I picked him at that point then, and there I was spending over an hour making up my mind...

BTW, if you like watching the really gay and dated training routines of the 50s watch this clip between 0:30 and 2:45. Barbosa's dive and Augusto are brilliant

It does show the Brazilians much more relaxed in the buildup. The killer for them was the pre-game speech from the Major of Rio (somewhere later on but I'll transcribe including some bits said in Portuguese which weren't translated).

"You Brazilians, whom I consider victors of the tournament... You players who in less than a few hours will be acclaimed champions by millions of your compatriots... You who have no equals in the terrestrial hempisphere... You who are so superior to every other competitor... You whom I already salute as conquerors... I tell you, WE have reached our ambitious targets building this stadium, now YOU should fulfill your duty by winning the World Cup".

With 220,000 people listening on, no wonder they were bricking it.

 

[antohan]

Truckloads of great players for Pol to choose from, who will miss out?

 

[Moby]

I bet he will take a German.

 

[Theon]

What I still don't understand is what was the need to pick van Hanegem when Cerezo was available. Better for the role, better fit with the other two, no issues with the Krauts behind him, wouldn't have ended up scrambling for non-Europeans at the end... Bizarre really. Theon must have been mesmerised by something he read or saw about him, no idea what exactly.

Because he's a better player than Cerezo and I wanted his far better passing in midfield. The square was always going to miss Falcao's passing otherwise.

Everyone will find other picks strange but not everyone bangs on about it the way you do. I mean picking Ghiggia at round 5 seems incredibly bizarre to me, not sure what you were thinking there.

 

[Annahnomoss]

Let's draw opponents?

 

[antohan]

Because he's a better player than Cerezo and I wanted his far better passing in midfield. The square was always going to miss Falcao's passing otherwise.

You are somewhat underrating Cerezo's passing there and it's not like you need Hollywood balls really with the rest of your personnel. Yes, van Hanegem is a tad better there but Cerezo has other attributes on him which are particularly important in that position.

Everyone will find other picks strange but not everyone bangs on about it the way you do. I mean picking Ghiggia at round 5 seems incredibly bizarre to me, not sure what you were thinking there.

Maybe that I really wanted him? I don't go around trying to get the most highly rated player still available and at risk of getting picked in each turn, it leaves you at the mercy of what everyone else does. I plan a realistic side that makes sense to me and which I know how I can go about improving later.

I knew my other picks were safe bar Blanc, I expected to upgrade Blanc eventually anyway, and wasn't too bothered about picking Carvalho instead. Conversely, I wouldn't swap Ghiggia for anyone bar Garrincha, maybe Jairzinho, and I have much higher priorities so probably would never get around to it.

PS: Just realised Blanc was gone anyway so it wasn't even that I missed out on anyone for doing that. Look at my draftplan, I missed out on no one as a result of picking Ghiggia earlier and even managed to screw you and a few others out of Seeler late on

 

[Balu]

I still think it's a bit mental that you have a draft plan. Has everyone something like that? I had an idea, a few names in my head, which went then in a .txt file and well a bit luck (or not) .

 

[Moby]

I've never ever had any plan like that. I plan positions, not names and for me more important is the depth in each position. For example in a draft I would decide to go for a midfield 2 first and attack later, sometimes vice versa. If a draft has plenty of good wide players I'd rather pick a fullback or both early. Et cetera.

 

[paceme]

I can't even imagine having the time to do something like that.

 

[antohan]

I still think it's a bit mental that you have a draft plan. Has everyone something like that? I had an idea, a few names in my head, which went then in a .txt file and well a bit luck (or not) .

Wait until you see the full plan!

I've never ever had any plan like that. I plan positions, not names and for me more important is the depth in each position. For example in a draft I would decide to go for a midfield 2 first and attack later, sometimes vice versa. If a draft has plenty of good wide players I'd rather pick a fullback or both early. Et cetera.

It's not too different. Bear in mind I only put it together after the first two turns as by then you have a pretty clear idea of what is no longer available and where you should be heading.

There of course is a separate list of players per position but that was, all positions and players considered, what I thought was achievable. Depth dictates timing of course. That's why I got some of the turns wrong, as I adjusted to what was happening along the way. The objective is not for the plan to be followed but to get the players after all.

The only player I assumed would go early and completely ignored is still available! Unreal, seriously considered getting him as a sub but preferred the two keeper option and I was not really likely to play him.

I can't even imagine having the time to do something like that.

It takes very little time, what takes some time is drawing up the list of players to begin with, what takes the most time is sitting around waiting for people to pick!!!!!!

 

[Annahnomoss]

I don't think what Anto does is that time consuming compared to what others does. Like he said most time consumed by these drafts is because you are waiting for your pick. I have easily spent 10 times the time waiting for picks rather than trying to decide picks.

 

[Balu]

I don't think it's time consuming, it's just so logical and boring .

 

[antohan]

I blame the training from working in Europe for 15 years. I hated the notion of plans and processes, but no one agreed with me.

 

[antohan]

It's probably a famous quote but I had never come across it before:

"Look at that little fat chap. We'll murder this lot."

-England player on Puskas, before the game at Wembley

 

[Annahnomoss]

It's probably a famous quote but I had never come across it before:

"Look at that little fat chap. We'll murder this lot."

-England player on Puskas, before the game at Wembley

Talk about crushed egos after that?

 

[Polaroid]

Rescheduled

1st round
Match 1,2 - 7 Jan
Match 3,4 - 8 Jan
Match 5,6 - 9 Jan
Match 7,8 - 10 Jan

Would this be ok with you Cal, Crappy, Anto? the rest?

 

[Polaroid]

Pol 1. Maradona 2. P. Maldini 3. Breitner 4. Zizinho 5. Boniek 6. Ocwirk 7. Zito 8. Ferdinand 9. Cohen 10. Careca 11. Gregg 12. Maspoli
Cal 1. Pelé 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gérson 4. Blanc 5. Overath 6. Cristiano Ronaldo 7. Lev Yashin 8. Lúcio 9. Leandro 10. Grosso 11. Sneijder 12. Luis Cubilla
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romário 3. Scirea 4. Gentile 5. Kempes 6. Ballack 7. Lizarazu 8. Burgnich 9. Hidegkuti 10. Danilo 11. Stiles 12. Escuti
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio 4. Kohler 5. R. Carlos 6. Socrates 7. Andrade 8. Van Hanegem 9. Maier 10. Piola 11. Rattin 12. Geoff Hurst
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela 4. Desailly 5. Batistuta 6. Nasazzi 7. Figo 8. Zoff 9. Eyzaguirre 10. Hagi 11. Marinho Chagas 12. František Plánička
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos 4. Thuram 5. Tigana 6. Ademir 7. Cabrini 8. C. Maldini 9. Clodoaldo 10. Voronin 11. Jair 12. Taffarel
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo 4. Brehme 5. Vieira 6. Coluna 7. Schiaffino 8. Kahn 9. Julinho 10. Mauro Ramos 11. Buzánszky 12. Szymaniak
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets 5. Makélélé 6. Pirlo 7. Messi 8. Caniggia 9.Branco 10. Grosics 11. Novak 12.
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov 5. Leonidas 6. Lahm 7. Vicente Lucas 8. Bellini 9. Stam 10. Zambrotta 11. Carrizo 12. Gerets
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts 5. Dunga 6. Ruggeri 7. Tarantini 8. Leonel Sanchez 9. Mauro Silva 10. Ricardo Zamora 11. Hamrin 12. Buffon
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos 5. Karlheinz Förster 6. Chumpitaz 7. Tostao 8. Manuel Amoros 9. Banks 10. Rummenigge 11. Klinsmann 12. Preud’homme
Balu 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids 5. Silvio Marzolini 6. Frank de Boer 7. Forlan 8. Gilmar 9. Ceulemans 10. Haan 11. Schwarzenbeck 12. Willi Schulz
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor 5. Ghiggia 6. Junior 7. Mazurkiewicz 8. Gamarra 9. Seeler 10. Chilavert 11. Carvalho 12. Rodríguez Andrade
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi 5. Keane 6. Da Guia 7. Briegel 8. Lato 9. Zagallo 10. Jorginho 11. Roma 12. Fillol
Cutch 1. Müller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaría 5. Cubillas 6. Bergomi 7. Monti 8. Nesta 9. F Albert 10. F Walter 11. Goycochea 12. Ayala
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Schnellinger 4. Zanetti 5. Tardelli 6. Paolo Rossi 7. Perfumo 8. Vavá 9. Gascoigne 10. Cerezo 11. Carbajal 12. Asamoah

 

[Cutch]

Klose unlucky to miss out. Schillaci too

 

[Annahnomoss]

Rescheduled

1st round
Match 1,2 - 7 Jan
Match 3,4 - 8 Jan
Match 5,6 - 9 Jan
Match 7,8 - 10 Jan

Would this be ok with you Cal, Crappy, Anto? the rest?

Works great for me, perfect really. Will you do the draw now by the way? Would like to make a write up ASAP so I don't have to do it when I work.

 

[Polaroid]

I still think it's a bit mental that you have a draft plan. Has everyone something like that? I had an idea, a few names in my head, which went then in a .txt file and well a bit luck (or not) .

I can understand why Anto did that. I will plan if I have the time, but not to the same level of detail. This time round though, I have been too occupied to even jot down names in a spreadsheet or anything