This is a strange point to make.
Mussolini, I think.
Many dictators have done good things for their country. They have also done terrible things to the human beings in their country that overshadow the good that they did. Castro falls into that camp.
Have I said anything here to indicate I believe the U.S. actions were right? So what is the point of bringing them up?
Yeah that's him
Mussolini I believe.
Built the autobahn to didn't he?
A good bit of it... Enough that it was Ike's model for the US Interstate System
He did. Single handedly too.
You're absolutely right, which makes Cuba's foreign policy stance all the more understandable. We've lost count of how many times the US had attempted to overthrow and assassinate Castro, nevermind the crippling sanctions they've forced on Cuba. So it makes sense from a survival prospect that the Cubans would veer closer to the Soviet Union, hence mirroring their own foreign policy. Were it not for their stewardship to the Soviet Union, they wouldn't have lasted and would have probably gone the way of Chile or Nicaragua.
Well, it could have been a bit different if Eisenhower didn't stand him up or try to kill him....
The relationship was never there to begin with. I think the Cubans gave up trying to salvage any means of friendly diplomacy with the US after the latter's failed Bay of Pigs invasion a year before the missile crisis. I'm sure they would have welcomed the deterrent too.
I'm sure it had nothing to do with helping the USSR's expansionist (imperialist) goals
USSR expanionism would be at the expense of American foreign exceptionalism, so a no-brainer there for Castro.
You can easily flip that in regards to the US and its allies... Which is the point @JustAFan was making isn't it?
No...It didnt.... Soveit had no interest in Castro, many higher ups didnt even know who he was during/after the revolution. Many infact thought he was setup by CIA.
You could, but there's also a great degree of false equivalence there. You can't really compare the scale of intervenionsm between the US and USSR since the end of WWII.
They probably didn't poll firing squad victims, political prisoners, people that had their property nationalized by the government, or expats who can actually speak their mind without fear of retribution.
Ahh yes, the 1 percenters formerly of Miramar who threw their toys out of the pram when their lavish lifestyles sanctioned by Batista had come to an end.
Yeah I'm gonna say they were under-represented in the polling sample.
So you condone firing squads and political prisoners then ? You're quite the spokesman for socialism.
They'd established diplomatic relations in 1960. The missile crisis was 1962...
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I don't, but I'm not going to take the word of former Cuban 1 percenters living in Miami.
Well if little Marco says so
And the dude on Spoony's avatar.
Where else are you going to get opinions of Cubans other than expats these days. And by that I mean the not at gun point or under surveillance of secret police variety.Well if little Marco says so
Ahh yes, Anna Navarro. I take it she wasn't pleased then with her father being a Contra?
People who escape Cuba and other similar situations tend to have a greater appreciation for freedom. And besides, you know there's little valor and morality to Castro's Cuba when his own daughter needed a wig and disguise to escape her own Dad's utopian paradise.
Whats your source on that?.
I'm not trying to pain Castro's Cuba as some new-world Utopia. I accept there were some unpleasant things sanctioned under his regime, as is the case with pretty much every Latin American state in the last 60 or so years, US-friendly or otherwise.
So in essence you admit that Castro wasn't all that after all. Progress.
See even you admit that he and the soviets were being expansionist in Africa.
