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Football myths
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Ronaldo is flat track bully.
Ronaldo isn't skillful, other than scoring he offers nothing.
Players can't improve when they reach a certain age.
Chelsea are the best when it comes to transfer negotiations.
Drogba was one of the top scores in the EPL.
Pep is a genius.
EPL is the best league.
Judging players ( better stats = better player)
Ronaldo isn't skillful, other than scoring he offers nothing.
Players can't improve when they reach a certain age.
Chelsea are the best when it comes to transfer negotiations.
Drogba was one of the top scores in the EPL.
Pep is a genius.
EPL is the best league.
Judging players ( better stats = better player)
Myth is true then!!
The MLS is a newly started project.
Sorry to delay the thread, how is Messi a superior footballer than Ronaldo?
Please don't tell me messi has the natural talent while Ronaldo has to work very hard to be where he is.
Qatar worker deaths.
People say that transfers can't be concluded unless the new york stock exchange is open.
That Martial struggled this season for any reason other than tactics. Last year LVG played a very structured system which allowed Martial a lot of space on the wing and thus let him use his greatest ability (and only ability which he really excels in) which is dribbling. This year we played a much narrower and less rigid system which didn't stretch the opposition as much horizontally. Also there was almost no support from the left back to drag defenders away and make space. Hence he had no room to dribble and thus was ineffective.
It's the same as any other winger of this type, Douglas Costa, Sterling etc. If they aren't dribbling and beating their men then they are terrible and they can't do that when there's no space.
Also the notion that Martial will 'find his form' next season. He'll find his form if he can either find space to play in or adapt his style so he's not a pure dribbler and can do other things
It's the same as any other winger of this type, Douglas Costa, Sterling etc. If they aren't dribbling and beating their men then they are terrible and they can't do that when there's no space.
Also the notion that Martial will 'find his form' next season. He'll find his form if he can either find space to play in or adapt his style so he's not a pure dribbler and can do other things
This isn't a myth, even though Cole scored alot of goals.
He wasted loads of chances, in fact more than any other striker i can remember during my time as a supporter.
Good thing he was so good at making smart runs and getting into scoring positions, we could actually afford him missing alot.
Excluding penalties, he had a better goal/game ratio in the Premier League than Alan Shearer. He was one of the most prolific strikers of his generation. No, overall he wasn't as lethal as Shearer but he still had a very, very good conversion rate overall.
Hoddle's idiotic statement and some of Cole's big, glaring misses created a false perception. Unfortunately, he had some memorable misses, like at West Ham in 1995 or at the Bernabeu in 2000. It doesn't mean he was generally wasteful though; he most certainly wasn't, in fact.
North East is a hotbed of football...
There's a bunch of underachieving one club towns, whose support is as fickle and wavering as anywhere in the country.
There's a bunch of underachieving one club towns, whose support is as fickle and wavering as anywhere in the country.
Goals/game isn't the same though.
The 'myth' i quoted was that he missed alot of chances, this isn't a myth, even though (as you point out) his goals/game ratio is really good, he missed loads of chances.
I was a big fan of his, but he was indeed frustrating to watch in some matches.
He wasn't generally wasteful. Bit he wasn't clinical like say a Ruud Van Nistelrooy.
Martial flopped last season because of off the field issues. The lad got divorced. If it were tactics at fault, we wouldn't have seen even glimpses of his true ability at times.
No, of course not. But he's regarded by many as the striker who needs five chances to score a goal which is rubbish. That's the other extreme from Van Nistelrooy.
But even a 1-5 chance taking striker isn't poor by any stretch of the imagination. That is even a bigger reason why Hoddle's statement was dumb. In big teams most strikers get an average of 7 chances a games to score IMO. If you can score 1 in 5 you'd end up scoring in most games.....
That depends on how you define "chance". The best strikers usually have a shot conversion rate around 20-25% but that's not chance conversion; after all, not every shot is something you would consider a real chance.
If a striker misses 4 big chances out of 5, that's not good. But Andy Cole wasn't like that, no matter what Hoddle said.
Sorry, I probably expressed it poorly. I meant that people have a tendency to describe players who are 28 as being 29; players who are 29 as being 30; etc.
The Perisic thread is a perfect example.
The fact there's a
That was Barcelona - that was the best example of it - but they linked up extremely well that season.
Pogbas dad died and he scored in the next 2 games he played. People overrate how much personal issues affect performances. Football players aren't thinking of these things during games, they can just focus on the games.
Tactics were the issue, the glimpses came when he was able to find space which obviously is going to happen some of the time. Look at his performance against Reading in the FA Cup, he was magnificent because he had so much space to run into. Just look at all his performances when he does well it's always the same, lots of space to run into and then he beats his man over and over. If he's not doing that he's not playing well
There is a quote of a stat somewhere that his goal/chance ratio was closer to 2 in 5. Though I can't find the source for that figure.
I doubt people believe most of these myths.
Anything anti-United is definitely believed.
- The FA is corrupted specifically in favour of United, esp now Gill is there.
- Referees favour United
- Fergie always got fergie time by abusing refs
- United buy off decisions against them by the FA reducing suspensions, etc
Even though I know he wasn't and the stats prove this, in my head he is still one of the top scorers and scored 20+ every season.
Last season proved this to be a myth, stupid refs
What a laughable conclusion to make after a wrong comparison. We have seen experienced footballers like Henry, Deco, Jardel and Adriano, to name but a few, have their form totally collapse during a season in which they were having divorce problems with their life partners. The notion that off field issues don't affect players much is terribly naive.
And I still don't buy the tactics excuse. Even in games with loads of space Martial would time and again simply fail to beat his man or run into a blind alley like a man jay walking in traffic due to bring distracted by a hot chick. The few matches he played with singular focus were unsurpsingly his best games. The comeback at home vs Boro in the league for example. Middlesboro playing deep and trying to close space had zero impact in Martial. Dude killed them all game long...
This is actually one of those myths that annoys me to no end, because it has popped up a thousand times in the Martial discussions. All down to ridiculously inaccurate tabloid press that this shite gets repeated over and over again.
He was never married to that woman in the first place. So there can't be a divorce, and she also shouldn't be referred to as his ex-wife.
Daniel Levy is some sort of genius when it comes to extracting extortionate transfer fees from clubs. He's a nightmare to deal with.
The short of it is just that.. he's not. History has shown this. He's let some of the club's best ever players leave for fees under their value, and to 'rivals' - See Michael Carrick to us for just £18.6m as an example
The short of it is just that.. he's not. History has shown this. He's let some of the club's best ever players leave for fees under their value, and to 'rivals' - See Michael Carrick to us for just £18.6m as an example
Cheers
Yes, that's indeed a myth. There's no way a poor/average tactician would beat teams like Barcelona with Schuster/Maradona, the Dream Team, and various other sides throughout the years.
The greatest myth of them all.
That the whole of the bernabeu applauded Ronaldinho when it was actually just two taxi drivers who stood up and clapped
There's also the huge footballing sacrifice made with the upheaval of trading key players such as Bale and Modric at the end of the transfer window when the pre-season is long gone and the season is well underway.
Second season syndrome also played a part imo (Defenders knew his style better). Plus Shaw not over-lapping never gave the full back that problem so dealing with Martial was more easier. His off field problems would not have helped and could have had a bearing on his form.
Yes change of style can be added but I can remember many a game where he was one on one in great positions but had a nightmare.
That devils are red
That transfers which don't work out end in bad blood between people running the business at clubs. These guys are professionals, I'm sure they have to talk the talk to some degree to appease fans, but I doubt they get vindictive in future dealings just because something didn't work out. It's pretty poor business to hold a vendetta over mistakes and failed agreements when you'll likely have to deal with that club again in the future.
That United went after Morata as a smokescreen to sign Lukaku. Now everytime United are linked with a player everyone believes it's a smokescreen and United are signing someone else
That all players have an assigned value. I mean its a half-truth because those with a release clause technically do.
There's the price the club thinks they should sell him for and then the amount they think the other club can pay.
There's the price the club thinks they should sell him for and then the amount they think the other club can pay.
An attacking player is as good as his numbers and how good he looks on the ball
Poaching goals is an easy skill
Creating chances is all about the passing rather than the movement of those without the ball
Ronaldo is bad at taking free kicks
Totti wasn't a dirty player
Shots per goal ratio is a meaningful stat that tells you how good of a finisher a player is
Poaching goals is an easy skill
Creating chances is all about the passing rather than the movement of those without the ball
Ronaldo is bad at taking free kicks
Totti wasn't a dirty player
Shots per goal ratio is a meaningful stat that tells you how good of a finisher a player is