Yeeah sure the regs exist, but FIFA, as the tournament organisers, have the power to make exceptions to the regs when appropriate. They didn't even reply to requests by the FA and others to wear the armbands, and now they're evidently threatening players with heavy sanctions for wearing them.
It seems pretty clear to me that FIFA has found itself totally beholden to Qatar, and they are totally spineless. Equally, Qatar are using their financial muscle to enforce change in FIFA to make it more in line with their politics. They both bear responsibility.
It's good to know you think Qatar's government is staffed by cnuts - that didn't come across in your previous posts.
Well I'd ask why hasn't a single pundit or celebrity mentioned the money?I'm just asking how you decide how much a person has to do to not just be "virtue signalling" ?
You wouldn't let someone who's been drinking alcohol into your home or you wouldn't let someone drink alcohol in your home?Yes I did and of a couple, heterosexual or homosexual suddenly started ahvingbsex I'd kick them out too
In 7th century Arabia maybe.As in different in the Qur'an and Islam.
Believe it or not it was way ahead of its time
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Completely agree. This is utterly disgraceful.Hard to come out in a sport where the biggest tournament is willfully held in a country where homosexuality is illegal and people back down at showing even the mildest, blandest type of gesture in support for LGBT rights at even the threat of a yellow card. How much faith could you really have in the industry and insititutions around you?
I don't know but I've seen plenty of pundits and players talk about money in the past. Agents too. Not this tournament however yet.Well I'd ask why hasn't a single pundit or celebrity mentioned the money?
We all go to work for money. We all make it clear its for the money. It's no problem.
So why do these guys say their motivation is everything but money?
I actually agree with you on the virtue signalling. I don't like it either. It's dishonest.Yes I did and of a couple, heterosexual or homosexual suddenly started ahvingbsex I'd kick them out too
Both tbh.You wouldn't let someone who's been drinking alcohol into your home or you wouldn't let someone drink alcohol in your home?
Fair enough mate, was just interested.Both tbh.
If I was single with no kids I may reconsider drunk
Not to sidetrack the thread but what’s the issue if you had a friend and they have a glass of wine or a beer in your house? I’m assuming you’re only letting people you know well into your house.Both tbh.
If I was single with no kids I may reconsider drunk
Do you think homosexuality should be illegal or that it’s immoral?Both tbh.
If I was single with no kids I may reconsider drunk
I don't mean the players. They have less of a choice.I don't know but I've seen plenty of pundits and players talk about money in the past. Agents too. Not this tournament however yet.
But generally for the big nations what the players earn at a world cup is usually peanuts compared to what they earn at their clubs.
If drinking wine and shagging guys is immoral then I don't want to be right!Do you think homosexuality should be illegal or that it’s immoral?
Tbf even though its not my style(my parties would be super boring), if someone is super puritan about alcohol in their own home it's fair enough for religious reasons or otherwise.Not to sidetrack the thread but what’s the issue if you had a friend and they have a glass of wine or a beer in your house? I’m assuming you’re only letting people you know well into your house.
Oh gotcha. What makes you think she's a millionaire though? The Beeb pay everyone like they are Lineker these days?I don't mean the players. They have less of a choice.
I'm about the fringe characters. The millionaires who are there with their hands out.
I don't think any of them have mentioned money. Alex Scott is there because she "loves her job." No mention of the huge pay she'll be getting.
I'd personally have way more respect and time for them if they stopped treating us lile idiots. Just be a grown up and say "while I care about the issues I also want to earn a lot of money."
Alex Scott, however she identifies now, was in a long term relationship with an ex Arsenal team-mate. She’s personally invested in this - no doubt she’ll also have plenty of LGBT friends through playing womens football."Virtue signalling" is such an empty phrase to use. I suppose she is "woke" too.
Or maybe... Because 4 years ago she was the first female pundit on the BBC and doesn't want to stop that progress?
Maybe she wants to raise awareness while she is there working for a national broadcaster?
Yup. Looks even more pathetic in light of Iran actually doing something to protest their own government. Just the weakest of all positions in the end.Hard to come out in a sport where the biggest tournament is willfully held in a country where homosexuality is illegal and people back down at showing even the mildest, blandest type of gesture in support for LGBT rights at even the threat of a yellow card. How much faith could you really have in the industry and insititutions around you?
I didn't mean literally every pundit or celebrity is a millionaire but for sure Alex Scott will be a very wealthy woman. She's been on TV a while now. She doesn't need the world cup money.Oh gotcha. What makes you think she's a millionaire though? The Beeb pay everyone like they are Lineker these days?
Generally I do agree there are plenty who take the money and still try to come across as on the "right" side. Feck them. But that pales in comparison to the shit Qatar and FIFA are pulling of this November.
I think that all depends on how she interprets her job there. If she uses her position to highlight injustices then I don't see how it is wrong to work at this WC. After all she's not being paid by Qatar, but by the BBC who so far don't seem to shy away from criticising the host country's human rights issues even at the expense of not broadcasting the opening ceremony on TV.Alex Scott, however she identifies now, was in a long term relationship with an ex Arsenal team-mate. She’s personally invested in this - no doubt she’ll also have plenty of LGBT friends through playing womens football.
Yes, let’s respect her wearing the arm band in a show of unity - but is she any different to the Gary Neville’s and David Beckhams taking ££ from this WC? I’m not sure how I feel on that one.
Yeah I hadn’t read back through the chain but if for religious reasons then each to their own. I didn’t realise that was a thing (no alcohol whatsoever in home) I thought it was more avoiding personal consumption.Tbf even though its not my style(my parties would be super boring), if someone is super puritan about alcohol in their own home it's fair enough for religious reasons or otherwise.
I'm sure someone more qualified can answer the question whether alcohol can be consumed by others in your home if you following what is supposed to be 100% correct Islam by their definition.Yeah I hadn’t read back through the chain but if for religious reasons then each to their own. I didn’t realise that was a thing (no alcohol whatsoever in home) I thought it was more avoiding personal consumption.
Think a Muslim would answer better than this, but my Muslim friends would rather not hang out with me when I'm under the influence. Even more so in their own homes. Never took it personally, nor really ever had a problem with it. Similar with Pork beef in more religious households.I'm sure someone more qualified can answer the question whether alcohol can be consumed by others in your home if you following what is supposed to be 100% correct Islam by their definition.
Slightly different in that Beckham has never mentioned any of the issues in Qatar to any serious extent.Alex Scott, however she identifies now, was in a long term relationship with an ex Arsenal team-mate. She’s personally invested in this - no doubt she’ll also have plenty of LGBT friends through playing womens football.
Yes, let’s respect her wearing the arm band in a show of unity - but is she any different to the Gary Neville’s and David Beckhams taking ££ from this WC? I’m not sure how I feel on that one.
We don't know what he believes in, it could be that he's just a spineless shell who doesn't have the courage of his convictions. Ideally, they shouldn't have gone, but that's a huge sacrifice. Honestly, while it's easy for me to boycott as a fan whose country hasn't qualified, I'm not sure I'd be able to boycott it as a player, but there's no way I wouldn't make some acknowledgment of the wider issues. Like you say if he does wear it again it will warrant comment.It’s going to be very odd when Kane puts the arm band back on for the next Tottenham game.
People really do believe in nothing.
He did speak out against Infantino's ridiculous speech.But don't recall him speaking out at all?
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Yes, there is a huge spotlight being shone on those of us 'enlightened' westerners who seem to tolerate homophobia. It must be quite depressing for the LGBT+ communities all over the world.I gotta say, looking at social media it's alarming the number of europeans who just say "well, they're homophobic, but it's their country, we have to respect it".
