ThinkTank@Cafe
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No Fred = No midfield. State of the things.
No Fred. No headbutting. 11 v 11. Brilliant in second half.No Fred = No midfield. State of the things.
Ole went with Pogba, Scott and Nemanja as midfielders in the 18 man squad, because of their height. That's why Fred didn't get a place in the squad.Was he injured or dropped for the red card the other night?
I guess Ole was experimenting with McTom + Pogba for the mid-week game.Was he injured or dropped for the red card the other night?
/ironyHe’s as important as Bruno.
has Fred even given away a penalty at all?Fred is a mediocre player who has one or two good passes per game and people think he's class. He's easily beaten 1v1, can't shoot, fouls routinely instead of getting the ball, goes brainless and gives away penalties, and he's lightweight. He's not good enough and never will be.
Much better with his head than his feetHead and shoulders our best CM
So he's essentially our Brazilian Kante.He is tireless, works hard, intense, puts in body chalenges when needed. He is not as silky as matic, or carrick, but if the game is physical, his presence is needed. He was lost trying to be our creative midfielder, so now with Bruno in he can focus on winning balls in midfield and disrupting play.
was missed today.
Nowhere close. Got the Brazilian part right thoughSo he's essentially our Brazilian Kante.
So he's essentially our Brazilian Kante.
If you want to value & compare both is like this:So he's essentially our Brazilian Kante.
This is exactly what I see. Yet, others see something else and it bothers me that our reality is so far apart. I am wrong? Are they joking and I am not in on it? What the actual feck?Fred is a mediocre player who has one or two good passes per game and people think he's class. He's easily beaten 1v1, can't shoot, fouls routinely instead of getting the ball, goes brainless and gives away penalties, and he's lightweight. He's not good enough and never will be.
He is all that and our best midfielder unfortunately. He has the engine to keep running and harassing opponents but doesn’t have the passing range and the intelligence to make a difference. The fact that others are worse than him speaks volumes about the state of our midfield.This is exactly what I see. Yet, others see something else and it bothers me that our reality is so far apart. I am wrong? Are they joking and I am not in on it? What the actual feck?
This is exactly right. Fred was brought from Shakhtar Donetsk because of his superb pressing capabilities. Man is tireless and is a nuisance for opposition midfielders. His pressing stats are off the charts for United as well. I have a lot of time for players who've consistently been left out of the team but through sheer hard work has made it back into the side. Fred has a great attitude and does not deserve the mockery some brain-dead buffoons have been giving him for years now. In the time when Pogba was injured, pre-Bruno, it was him and Scott who held strong in midfield. That fated night in Paris he was pivotal alongside Scott too. He's not a passer, and now he's doing less of that and more of the recoveries.He is tireless, works hard, intense, puts in body chalenges when needed. He is not as silky as matic, or carrick, but if the game is physical, his presence is needed. He was lost trying to be our creative midfielder, so now with Bruno in he can focus on winning balls in midfield and disrupting play.
was missed today.
He was dropped. He made up so stupid excuse about height like we play basketball.Was he injured or dropped for the red card the other night?
He was rested and also dropped for tactical against West Ham's tall players. He should be back in XI against City.Can someone enlighten me as to what ban Fred is serving? Does it apply domestically as well? Presume that is why he missed the West Ham game? Is he back for City match?
Matches he has missed this season - Crystal Palace, Brighton, Spurs, Istanbul and Leipzig. No coincidence we have been shite in all 5.
Like Roy Keane for instance?Fred's Value
In my opinion, a midfielder who doesn't score goals shouldn't be anywhere near Manchester United.
Thanks.He was rested and also dropped for tactical against West Ham's tall players. He should be back in XI against City.
Like Roy Keane for instance?
Except he did. Often when it matters the most.Like Roy Keane for instance?
Like Carrick ?
wat
Keane scored a decent amount for the more defensive CM. Way more than Fred
This is really sad if true. Sad state of how our club and scouting department are run.This is exactly right. Fred was brought from Shakhtar Donetsk because of his superb pressing capabilities. Man is tireless and is a nuisance for opposition midfielders. His pressing stats are off the charts for United as well. I have a lot of time for players who've consistently been left out of the team but through sheer hard work has made it back into the side. Fred has a great attitude and does not deserve the mockery some brain-dead buffoons have been giving him for years now. In the time when Pogba was injured, pre-Bruno, it was him and Scott who held strong in midfield. That fated night in Paris he was pivotal alongside Scott too. He's not a passer, and now he's doing less of that and more of the recoveries.
With Fred I mean he literally offers no goal threat.Like Roy Keane for instance?
Allan is like tidier version of Fred.Nowhere close. Got the Brazilian part right though
Allan at Everton averages 1 less press per game than Fred this season, but wins the ball more often. He'd be the most direct comparison
What is a pressing stat. He can huff and puff all game but still prone (not only him) to basic errors.This is really sad if true. Sad state of how our club and scouting department are run.
We're fishing for limited players...
He is not in the team for his goal scoring ability. By this logic, you must also want Shaw and AVB gone as well? Dont think Lindelof has ever scored for us either.With Fred I mean he literally offers no goal threat.
By biggest standout memory of Fred is him blazing a free-kick high over the bar at Arsenal.
With regards Roy Keane, a return of 51 goals for Manchester United (same as Steve Bruce iirc - who was a goal machine of a defender), is a fantastic return. **As a side note I was fortunate enough to have a front row view - South Stand Row AA, of Roy Keane scoring a really good goal against Valencia in the Champions League back in late '99. Interestingly it was the time when Roy Keane signed a new Utd contract, and the stadium announcer told the whole crowd how much Roy Keane was being paid (£52K per week).
Anyway back on topic...
I think it's a sign of the times that our biggest rivals - Liverpool, can call on a midfielder (Wijnaldum) - who isn't a first team regular, and he has goals in his locker, this was evident when they played Wolves at the weekend and he scored a decent goal that was finished really well. He also delivered against Barcelona in a semi-final of a Champions League in the recent past. I again repeat that this is a player who can't get into Liverpool's starting eleven...
Yet here we are Manchester United, and we accept mediocrity, in fact our fans are crying out for Fred to be in the starting 11 week in week out - yet the guy can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. The opposition know he offers zero goal threat - so they focus more on our players who are goal threats - Rashford, Bruno etc.