Are you disputing the idea that some journalists are more reliable than others?
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I'm all for playing who blinks first but going into the season without FDJ would be disastrous.
Hope we have alternatives lined up that can be done within hours because this can go either way.
Hope we have alternatives lined up that can be done within hours because this can go either way.
We should have a plan B, C, D...That's how a football club operates.
Still 100% confident we'll sign him.
… which is odd considering the shite you just spouted.
I’m with you brother. It’s the most logical outcome.
Barcelona with Lewandoski, Rafinha.
oh yeah...simon stone and the BBC are sitting in their office every day with the /r/reddevils tier list open on the projector just hoping to get lucky to keep their spot
We as fans like to talk transfers, transfer talk ultimately requires sports journalists to produce content. God forbid, in an attempt to not let every charlatan journo from The Sun to The Mirror act "ITK", the fans try to limit discussion to those with a track record of good content.
The Tier system is actually the best, with all it's flaws, attempt so far to actually stop people posting indykilla, Mark Goldbridge, Steve Howson "ITK" bullshit. God forbid fans having a discussion would hope to constrain the discussion to actual fecking journalists that care about their profession.
Except he is already where he wants to be.
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's shit
I've seen nothing to change my mind at the moment. All the crap is coming from Spain and nothing is being confirmed here I'm the UK.
And?
Still hittin' them corners in them low-lows, girl
Still takin' my time to perfect the beat
And I still got love for the streets, it's the D.R.E.
And he’s not coming here.
You mean playing ‘pin the tail on the TOTY’ and signing the player it lands by isn’t the way to be successful?! Well shucks! Somebody buy EtH a reporters pad and pen quickly! He’s got lists to make!
I don't get this. If the clubs have actually agreed a fee, then surely Barca have already stated their willingness to sell. So why would FDJ have to ask to leave?
Surely even Barca cannot expect to sell someone who clearly doesn't want to leave, and then deny his right to monies owed due to a lack of loyalty!
I may have it wrong, but if I'm reading it anywhere near right, then wtf?
Keep on saying it over and over. I'm sure, it will keep you optimistic ^^
In your opinion that is
You both have a point about context but you both also need to context of many summers post Ferguson we've seen the same thing. We might be fine and get some deals over but if somebody had told me after Brighton hit their 4th against us at the end of last season that we'd start pre season v Liverpool on 12th July with only a sub left back added i would have said its too negative a prediction even for a club in a bad place.
The actual season starts in less than a month. We can't collectively pretend after watching a disjointed decade that a settled well run squad isn't important, yet we're 4 weeks out, massively deficient, no clue whats going on with Ronaldo. It's very difficult to build optimism and momentum for ten hag, especially when we see fred mctominay bolstering the midfield, without a right flank of any note, to start yet another pre season. And a fair chance Martial will be up top
The tone about this transfer really has shifted a bit. But Castles aside, who's an absolute ABU wum since Mourinho got sacked, the reporting comes from Spain while the english side turned very quiet.
Until that changes and they also shift their narrative, I don't think there's much speaking against optimism
Until that changes and they also shift their narrative, I don't think there's much speaking against optimism
You're just not understanding how smart clubs operate. You can be picky and select players with a very specific skill set when your team is a working unit and has some success. Like VVD or Alisson for example who were "the final pieces". But that isn't where United is at right now ffs. If ETH identified a need as big as it is worth to spunk 70 million on it, we surely have to make sure this need gets adressed. If not by the top player on the wishlist then with the next one on the list.
It is a big mistake to claim that getting the wrong player will cost United, waiting and be passive has its cost as well.
Since i've started skipping everything outside Simon Stone / Ducker / Whitwell (Athletic broadly) i'm much happier checking this thread. Spain tweets are now an incomprehensible mess of lies and outside those three UK journo's, everything is 50/50 for accuracy.
Nonsense, a player has a short career and Barca are not in danger of going under, they just want him to reduce his wage so Laporta can make some shiny new signings.
Why can’t Barca just use the money from the transfer to pay the wages they owe him? Sign an agreement or something.
Is he?He knows that Barcelona are looking to offload him.
Nobody has any clue as to what he's thinking.
Exactly, what's said in public and what's said in private is two completely different things. Players will say in public what they want the club and fans to hear. In private it'll be a completely different story
Grow the feck up.
Barcelona has no problems in wanting to splash big money for new signings, why should De Jong take less money just so they can give it to them.
This idea too that say Giggs or Scholes would never have demanded the going rate
feck me. He’s not on a ridiculous contract at all, it’s around 250k /week for the duration of the 6 year deal. Pretending Giggs would’ve been happy to receive enormous paycuts whilst the club continued to sign new players on higher wages is hilarious.
Where smoke is, might be fire. It is all good and well to be selective regarding sources and I am sure for mental health it is the best to limit the input of "news" but you don't get more than 50/50 anywhere. In a world, where everybody is aware of public relations and where billions of media outlets battle for attention with all measures, the status quo is that one source means nothing, it is always a multitude of different ones who form a picture. All this rollercoaster leads to one thing: people getting way too invested in specific things which then turns into hype or hysteria.
There is a middle ground between “doesn’t want to be here” and “desperately wants to be here” and that is, in my opinion, that he still prefers staying at Barca because he genuinely likes the club/city or whatever but wouldn't mind joining us if it comes to it.
it's not a cashflow issue they just don't want to pay it
Conned him and it's legal. We are wasting our time anyway, I don't think he wants to come here. Hope I am wrong.
It is a stand off between De Jong and Barca. Either way he will not be coming to United. I honestly think he will bend and take a lower wage to stay. United are being used (as usual). I hope they are looking elsewhere for a CM in the meantime while this draws to a dead end.
We don't know the full story, but he has just purchased a mansion there, has got engaged to his girlfriend and now we read that he doesn't want to come here. Flogging a dead horse again.
Whilst I don’t disagree with you, I think this one is a little different. Woodward and judge were clearly ill suited for this kind of negotiation as they are business/finance men first and foremost and lacked the knowledge of the footballing side of a deal. Murtough is a football man. The problem this year is the club we are dealing with rather than United. Whilst it’s dragging on a bit, and I understand the calls to move on I think in this case a bit of patience is required.
I trust the club to move on as soon as they stop getting encouragement from the players side or more likely to complete the deal.
Nope, just a guy going to work. Means nothing other than he’s not a shithouse!
This is a slightly disingenuous Tweet from this bloke, to be honest. The example of Ronaldo isn't the same. He came here as a kid, improved, had a few excellent seasons then moved away in his prime. De Jong is already at a big club. A club where he wants to be and is basically "forced" to take a step down (as he would see it and many others would, too) to join a club that he doesn't want to be at. Now, the caveat here being is that I don't know for sure how true these reports are, but considering that nearly everyone who reports on this story echoes this "he doesn't want to leave" line I think we can give it some credence.
Also, it's not about being a fan. That's another dishonest argument. The vast majority of players are not fans of the clubs they play for. Everyone knows this. It's about looking at individual cases. In this case, it's only natural to be concerned about a player who is not leaving for another challenge, but because he basically has to leave. And, you also have to look at the club he's leaving for. We need players who are going to want to fight when shit goes south. And believe me, shit will go south at some point for us next season. Is he gonna be up for that fight at a club where he doesn't want to be at?
Maybe he will. Maybe he'll think "feck it, I'm here now, let's make the best of it". But it's only natural, as a fan, to be slightly concerned, particularly when this club hasn't given us any reason to think otherwise over the last decade or so.
Because he’s returning to training ?
What, because he's returning to training? Why on Earth does this mean the deal is dead?
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