Shane88
Actually Nostradamus
Don't think so. I remember her saying "The dragons are the only children I will ever have" to Jorah back in season 2-3 and to Jon last season.Isnt her infertility a temp thing though?
Don't think so. I remember her saying "The dragons are the only children I will ever have" to Jorah back in season 2-3 and to Jon last season.Isnt her infertility a temp thing though?
TBH I think they had to give up on that particular storyline, just as they did the Cersei pregnancy.Isnt her infertility a temp thing though?
The books start to fade with book number 4 and book number 5 is really bad at times. Some pieces in there could be integrated in a soap opera straight away. Books 6 and 7 will be a disaster, IMO.
I don't disagree that those things are logical but that was pushed through Tyrion and Varys.I guess, I just find it more believable when characters make the wrong decisions based on otherwise good reasoning. It just seems that every major character in GOT has become dumb or much rumber than usual.
I don't really understand why she'd be a hated foreign ruler. All the the major houses in westeros despite Cersei and the lannisters because of their actions. It's been shown before that the people of KL hates Cersei.
Maybe Dany and Jon could spread the word that without her help the whole world would have been wiped out by the others.
Also the Targs are not really foreign. They ruled Westeros for hundreds of year. Dany still has the support of the North, The reach, the riverlands, some of the greyjoys, the storm lands, the eerie and Dorne.
There is no good reason why she couldn't become a loved ruler if she simply ruled in a compassionate, wise and just way.
they, them, people...Exactly the books get worse as they go on yet people just blame the TV show for everything
Not just seems, it is a point. They are 'dumber' cos of plot points / ending point. In previous seasons its easier to write a story and let it develop naturally, based on how characters act and their journey.I guess, I just find it more believable when characters make the wrong decisions based on otherwise good reasoning. It just seems that every major character in GOT has become dumb or much rumber than usual..
She also had a bad hairday!I find it quite disappointing that the only way they could come up with, to show she was going mad, was to stop her from wearing makeup.
She was wearing plenty of makeup in that scene.I find it quite disappointing that the only way they could come up with, to show she was going mad, was to stop her from wearing makeup.
I think it was right after sleeping 2 hours as well.She also had a bad hairday!
Also bit hard to physically show madness in a different way. Madness is a mental thing after all.She was wearing plenty of makeup in that scene.
I guess the reason we didn't have these discussions before the book material ran out is simply that the writing was better and more coherent.I don't disagree that those things are logical but that was pushed through Tyrion and Varys.
Is there no room for emotion in story telling? This is not the first emotive act in game of thrones nearly every plot point has been an emotive decision. Her whole reason for taking the throne is emotional not logical an it didn't start as a means to free the oppressed.
I get people not liking the choice of direction i just can't see how people can say they don't see it the path to it. The absence of an obvious event showing her snapping isn't lazy writing its viewers wanting to be hand held. All a matter of opinion but one event causing someone to snap would be way worse for me.
Then just show it through her actions. Not that hard.Also bit hard to physically show madness in a different way. Madness is a mental thing after all.
Missandei probably used to do her hair .She also had a bad hairday!
Also bit hard to physically show madness in a different way. Madness is a mental thing after all.
You seem to have a specific point HTG, air it.Then just show it through her actions. Not that hard.
I thought it looked rather fitting, but I suppose this has to do with the fact that you think it's offensive in some way. Which is your right. I disagree.Then just show it through her actions. Not that hard.
What about the bit where she torched loads of women and children?I find it quite disappointing that the only way they could come up with, to show she was going mad, was to stop her from wearing makeup.
I rather suspect that dealing with the WWs first was a deliberate thematic decision (either by the writers or Martin) to end the show on the idea that people are their own worst enemy (as opposed to some external existential threat). It's something they touch on in the conversation between Davos & Tyrion after the battle in winterfell.From a character perspective if they had ended the season with the fight against the white walkers they could have tied up virtually every character loose end by the necessity of them participating in the battle to save all life in the seven kingdoms. The major issue (aside from the poor writing) is that this and last season had the number of total episodes reduced by 3 or 4 episodes and they've just been trying to cram it all in to the narrative in a desperate rush. As a result everything seems all over the place. An event that draws all the characters together could have helped make it seem more coherent and you'd still have time for betrayals and score settling, perhaps whilst the fight against the ultimate threat is going on.
Regarding Jon Snow's future:
Another reason I am quite sure he will die is that he's an oathbreaker, having sworn himself to celibacy and the Night's Watch and broken those oaths. We see clearly with Robb Stark that the gods of Westeros don't give two flying fecks about how honourable your intentions may be. If you break their rules, they will feck you up. But really, oathbreaking -> punishment is a recurring theme all over the place.
The red god had his back as long as the Others were in need of defeating. He's out of the game now. With the logic the story has followed on these themes, Jon Snow is basically precluded from getting any sort of happy ending. Besides the fact that he's basically an undead Fire Wight whose purpose has already been served.
I, personally, think that's such a terrible route to go down though. We all know that story.I rather suspect that dealing with the WWs first was a deliberate thematic decision (either by the writers or Martin) to end the show on the idea that people are their own worst enemy (as opposed to some external existential threat). It's something they touch on in the conversation between Davos & Tyrion after the battle in winterfell.
In which case I don't blame them for going this route if that's the ultimate "point" of the show, at least in relation to the WW threat.
Wasn't the dragon sitting behind them on a rock in the scene?Looking at some of the annoying / idiotic things from the previous seasons, The catching the wight and Euron battleship taking out the second dragon still annoys me most (more so the latter cos they had more time for that). Could you imagine if there were different scenarios put forward and that actually was the best of about five they came up with?
*unless it was like that poochie scene in simpsons when GRRM goes to the D&D, think of a way the dragon is killed, like eurons ship take it out expertly and arent seen, but something better.
D&D: you ok with that idea? Yeah *burns dollars to smoke cigars*
The cersei not taking out Tyrion and Dany and all doesnt bother me as much (but they could have added a line where Euron tells her to do it, and Cersei states its a bad idea as they have no sight of the other dragon*
I mean its not the best, but it at least gives a halfassed reason why she doesnt do it (but not too bothered)
Technicality though, his watch ended the day he died. When he got brought back (second life) he was no longer part of the watch.
Have to disagree, whatever his limitations as a writer he’s clearly trying to portray the horrors of medieval warfare and life in general for the common man, and the amoral world of the elites who inflict it on them.There's no actual social commentary here.
I'd argue the trigger was her being stripped of her destiny as the rightful ruler. Before then she was angry and lashed out at those who disobeyed her but it was the loss of control over her destiny that made her dark. When she absolves herself of the blame for killing Varys that was dark, i actually think if they'd had her kill Tyrion people would accept the descent more.I guess the reason we didn't have these discussions before the book material ran out is simply that the writing was better and more coherent.
Ned was beheaded in the game of thrones because he was Northern lord with strong ideals in truth, justice. honor and lack of experience dealing with the poisoneus politics of the South.
Robb made the wrong the decision to marry Talisa, because he was young and in love, cocky because of his victories and because he felt it dishonerable to bed a girl without marrying her. His decision to behead the Karstak lord was also based on his northern sense of justice and honor.
Catelyn made her screwy decision to release Jaime because she was grieving for her children.
Tywin did not feel guilt for arranging the red wedding, because like he said, a few dosen killed at a wedding ended the war.
Jon broke his oath as Lord commander of the watch because he was taunted by ramsey and could no longer be idle while his family was being tortured and murdered.
The trigger point for Dany becoming the great mass murderer and psychopath in westors history was when the bells rang, the enemy surrendered and the war was won. She still had ample oppourtunity to catch Cersei and give a slow horrible just death.
Is he though?Have to disagree, whatever his limitations as a writer he’s clearly trying to portray the horrors of medieval warfare and life in general for the common man, and the amoral world of the elites who inflict it on them.
Yeah it was. And thats something they shouldnt have had. Drogon not in sight (but heard) can save on the cgi for it, but keeps Cerseis army on its toes (and doesnt reveal all cards to cersei). Basically gives her a reason not to even think about taking them out cos of the possibility nobody gets out alive.Wasn't the dragon sitting behind them on a rock in the scene?
Course he is, just read through Arya’s chapters in the second and third books and Brienne’s in the fourth. Septon Meribald’s Broken Man speech is all about the impact of warfare and the decisions of the Lords on the common man, and it’s often regarded as Martin’s finest piece of writing.Is he though?
I mean, you could do all that by writing the story without Dragons and Ice Kings that die before the end.
But yeah, by social commentary I thought we were talking about the usual "mankind is shit!" thing.Course he is, just read through Arya’s chapters in the second and third books and Brienne’s in the fourth. Septon Meribald’s Broken Man speech is all about the impact of warfare and the decisions of the Lords on the common man, and it’s often regarded as Martin’s finest piece of writing.
It’s clearly not all he’s doing with the books, but it’s probably the major theme running through them.
Fair enough, I read it a bit differently.But yeah, by social commentary I thought we were talking about the usual "mankind is shit!" thing.
Of course he nails the brutality of war, I personally love that part. But I stand by the exact point I made, He loves medieval times and all the food and sex and fighting stuff. He isn't making some grand point about mankind at all.
Yeah im agreeing with this. And they could have made it obvious that the dragon with Dany on top guiding is the reason it can avoid (she learnt from after Bron took her down last season)it would've been way better if Euron never killed Rhaegal with those stupid scorpion things, and he was there when they attacked the city. Then a scorpion she missed or something after they surrendered takes Rhaegal out and that's the point where she goes nuts, as opposed to just when she hears some fecking bells.
The second she was crazy, they stopped showing her as a pretty woman. There is just no positive interpretation of that fact for me. It's sexist.You seem to have a specific point HTG, air it.
I'm sure I'm going to agree with you, but I don't think makeup is the problem there.
Well let's see how it ends then, if it ever does.Fair enough, I read it a bit differently.
She was even more beautiful.The second she was crazy, they stopped showing her as a pretty woman. There is just no positive interpretation of that fact for me. It's sexist.
Slightly annoyed nostril flaring Daenerys is certainly more sexy than normal Daenerys.She was even more beautiful.
It's your interpretation that's sexist.