What managers? The hypothetical manager for which we have no proof is going to fail? Or the previous managers plus Mourinho?
Are Moyes, LVG and Mourinho FM regens?
Assuming the ladder, what do they all have in common? All were risk averse and rather conservative, but with their own spin on things.
That is untrue. Moyes was never risk averse. Ever. At most he was tactically clueless as that infamous Fulham game with record crosses shows.
LVG was possesion obsessed and regimented. Determined to 'cerebralize' our football which unfortunatrly after a false daen turnes it sterile.
Mourinho has always been a transition manager. Like LVG he had a false dawn.
3 utterly different managers. Same results in terms of the football produced on pitch and results. It ceases being a coincedence when it gets to 3.....
How does that prove the next manager is going to fail?
3 managers of entirely opposing styles have failed and you think hiring a 4th will magically change things? That is what Einstein reffered to repeating the same experiement over and over expecting diferent results.
How are you so certain an attacking manager won't turn things around?
Because the issues lengthening our decline are more than just the manager in charge. If you are fine with United changing manager after manager in the vain hope one will click thats on you. Some of us dont want our club to be the next Inter. Even a Chelsea change managers with a clear plan in mind. We dont have any.
I want firm decision making at the top and a clear long term plan. Not this bullshit of refusing to back a manager whilst not firing him. Not hiring managers whose footballing identity is similar to foster long term squad and playing style harmony. Nor reacting to whatever City or Pool do with their Bosses rather than having a clear 5 year plan as to where we want United to go. Be it driven by a chairman or a DOF.
You can't just conclude all managers will fail here on out. There is no evidence for that.
Its your fault alone that you can't understand 3 managers of opposing styles getting similar results, with a similar group of players largely points to it meaning another manager change wont pull up any trees. To deny that completely is exactly the naivety I reffered to earlier.
What challenges are these?
Are you kidding me?
He hasnt been given free reign to sign every target he has asked for in ANY window since he arrived.
He hasnt been allowed to upgrade on poorer players in his squad like Jones nor Darmian for example nor to sell them.
He inherited a squad with a dead right flank, no holding players, no right winger and no conpetition at center forward. Yet He hasnt been allowed to invest freely in those areas.
When he signs a player and it doesnt work out for whatever reason it is used as a stick to beat him and an excuse to deny him funds. Whilst he can see a Pep sign Bravo he fails, then uupgrade to Ederson without so much as a blink. Going from Nolito to Mahrez is another example. Even Klopp went from Karius to Alisson and Klavan to Van Dijk and never got second guessed by his board.
Ironically those are some of the things the departed LVG has since moaned about and oh how we laughed. But are we still lauhghing?
I fail to see how the next manager will face anything different with the same structure in place and no long term direction for the club for a manager to fit into.
Woodward is not the direct cause of Mourinho's failings. Whose fault is it that United had a horrible defense after last season? Mourinho.
Really? It was Mourinho's fault that a team with clear weaknesses in defence, forced to rely on Bailly's inexperienced and brittle body, De Gea's brilliance, and cagey football to protect that defence finished 2nd, with one of the best defensive records in the league, due to the cageyness, rather than a credit to him?
And its now HIS fault that suddenly that same defence got exposed defensively this season when even the slightest amount of open football was attempted after a summer of ZERO EFFORT to upgrade the defensive personnel, plus the departure of Blind who helped hide them flaws some what, never being replaced?
How does that work exactly?
. He bought two CBs and he clearly didn't fancy them.
This is the kinda stupid argument that gets my goat. Bailly and Lindeloff were bought for the future! Not the now! The CBS that NEED upgrading are the experienced ones. Namely the shit Jones, the painfully average Smalling and the injury prone Rojo! Those are the CB'S he SORT to upgrade on in the summer. NOT because he 'doesn't fancy Bailly or Lindeloff'.
Now this is where you point out how United's defense was good due to the goals conceded stat right?
Only if you havent paid aattention to a single thing I posted earlier till now....
Whose fault was it that our players were out of confidence? Mourinho.
You think its mere ' confidence' that makes the likes of Jones, Valencia, Damian or Smalling average to shit at their jobs? This is the naivety I talked about....
Whose fault was it for starting the season with negativity and disrupting the locker room? Mourinho.
More naivety. You seriously think 'mere postivity' would have granted Bailly and Lindeloff the requisite experience to be flawless leaders of our defence? That mere 'postivity' would have stopped Jones fecking up a ggood performance vs Spurs? That its 'lack of positivity' that had us exposed vs Brightonfor example?
Come on
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Whose fault was it to play favorites to the detriment of the team? Mourinho.
I marvel how JM is glibly accused of 'playing favorites'. For example with a Matic. Who has literally been the ONLY fit natural holding player for the longest spell this season.
Alternatives like McTominay, Herrera and the in form Fellaini have all been injured for a month or more. Whilst Pereira, is not only NOT a natural in the role, his last outing was a night mare and to his detriment, our team results went so far down hill since then to make it close to fool hardy to risk him in the role in recent times.
How much money have Liverpool spent? Roughly the same as United and look where they're at.
This is a lie. Liverpool and City both have by FAR outstripped or spending on defence. The one department that wins you league titles. Its is thus no suorise where they are whilst we are floundering with a goal difference of negative 1!
The money argument is frankly tiring as it does not excuse his bad managerial performance. There's a good chance we end up in a better position than Spurs this season, but right now they're 7 points ahead of us. How much money did they spend this summer? Zero. Not even a Dalot or Fred.
And did they have squad isssues like no decent right back, no single quality experienced center halves and no tight sided attackers when they decided to not spend?
There are honestly few things dumber than trying to liken our situation to Spurs'. For us failure to spend was footballing suicide. For Spurs it was just financial sense.