If hes found guilty then he should be given a stiff sentence, if instead hes found not guilty then he'll walk away with a large stain on his character and face doubts re that character; and should he face another trial for similar charges, guilty or not, that stain will grow and the doubts about his character, or lack of, grow also. Future incidents like this will condemn him, guilty or not, due to the old adage "theres no smoke without fire" This case hangs on his word against that of his ex girlfriends and her sister, nobody else was there. Giggs may be declared innocent of all charges, this time, but I doubt he will ever be allowed to forget the incident, and any repeat will see him damned. Is he guilty? Probably, and even if he was provoked to violence its no excuse.
Giggs trial
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Snuffkin with some dreadful posts there.
If Giggs is guilty I think it’s safe to say he isn’t of sound mind either.
I've been thinking a lot about him lately. I guess the fact that I don't really have any experience living through Best' performances/career made him a bit depersonalized in my eyes — I only see him as a player, and as a legendary symbol of the club's glorious past. It's easier when it's a historical character that you only retrospectively develop any kind of an admiration for etc.
But Giggs is someone that I watched growing up, watching him grow alongside me, mature and eventually retire... It's a completely different emotional experience. Then there's also the fact that Best obviously had a lot of issues and it was always evident while Giggs had a pretty much perfect image — in his younger days he looked and behaved more like Best, but after that it looked like he became more and more like Bobby Charlton 2.0... And then, out of the blue, you get all that information about how Giggs actually lived his life.
P.S. just wanted to specify this — I'm talking about my own feelings towards those players and the relative difference in perception of two very similar situations. This doesn't in any way mean that I'm making excuses for Best's behaviour.
You expect to find details of evidence on a thread on Redcafe, before the trial has even happened?
What we do know is that:
- The CPS don't progress a case if there is no evidence.
- Giggs' defence will produce their own evidence and try to discredit any evidence of his guilt.
- Giggs' defence will try to discredit her as a person in any way they can.
- The hotel cctv will provide evidence and any medical reports of injuries too.
- There may well be witness that heard or saw things, text messages between them will be examined, as well as text sent to other people.
Proving he did these things beyond reasonable doubt is the tricky part - as with rape cases and DV cases a not guilty verdict doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that it can't be proved. Scotland and other countries have a middle verdict where the person isn't proved guilty or not guilty.
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I think everyone knows a man that will conduct an affair with his brothers wife most certainly isn't.
It's for an other thread but I will never understand why he didn't tell his brother that the he was dating that woman. The story makes no sense unless Giggs is a weirdo or he didn't trust his brother for some reason.
What, so you expected him to tell his brother he was sleeping with his wife?
How about he just doesn't have an affair with his brothers wife in the first place. Don't think whether he trusted Rhodri or not has anything to do with it myself.
If I'm not mistaken Ryan was sleeping with her before she became Rhodri's girlfriend?
Her and Giggs were a thing (don't know if it was romantic, but it was definitely sexual) at the time when his brother started dating her.
You are mistaken, look it up.
Thanks! You saved me from going through 15 pages about Napoleon, appreciate that.
Might be he was scared that Rhodri would tell Ryan's wife about this girl.Instead of breaking up when Rhodri starting going out with her, he just carried it on. Going from deceiving his partner to deceiving his brother as well.
I did. She was allegedly sleeping with Ryan before dating Rhodri, two months before and continued for 8 years.
This thread has made me even happier than I already was that my daughter is gay
If I'm not mistaken same sex relationships have a high domestic violence rate, in particular lesbian relationships. Now since I don't want to worry you, the sample size is smaller than with heterosexual relationships.
He’ll be stuck commentating now with Andy gray and Richard keys on the island of broken toys
But at least it rules out several frankly disturbing posters from being brought home to meet me!
In that sense, you are totally right. Some bullets have been dodged.
Good grief.
Thundercat? thundercnut more like.
It's less than 20 years since he was beating his wife and putting her in hospital. I had someone in here tell me what Giggs did was worse because George was such a nice guy and Giggs was a lying coward hiding who he really was.
I think both were great players, I can appreciate what they did on the football pitch. But personally I have no respect for either of them, even less if all these allegations against Giggs are proven to be through.
I'm fascinated by this. Any good resources you could recommed or share?
i believe about 5 united players were going through her, it was common knowledge. Which adds to the sinister cloud over Giggs, let your workmates ruin your brother aswell as himself. Completely fine with it all
Oh, I never looked into those really, just knew that it happened — didn’t realize that it was so recently. Appalling stuff.
There's all sorts of info on Google which have varying degrees of accuracy. Costs you very little to share what you think is the best resource on the issue since you're supposedly more familiar.
Anyway, my Google search indicates that the middle verdict - not proven - is misnomer that means exactly the same thing as not guilty.
https://berlowrahman.scot/the-not-proven-verdict-in-scotland/
Sounds like the makings of a good French comedy film with Gerard Depardieu as Giggs!
Kick him out. And nvm the fact he was charged and found guilty.
I don't think I'll ever be able to understand why people will defend scummy behaviour from their childhood idol. It's like they go back to being 5 years old whenever their name is mentioned.
Worse if it's just for sex.
If it's a genuine love and they somehow got together ala charles and camilla it's still.... understandable that people can't hold their affection.
But pure sex? Just pay for models if you're that desperate.
The past is the past. Fair play. He bed her before the marriage. But 8 years after she got married with his brother? That's sadist. It's beyond adultery
Why French?
It's one of the strangest celebrities story, I don't understand why Giggs acted this way, from the outside it looks like the most complicated scenario.
Because they've made the best menage a trois comediesWhy French?
It's one of the strangest celebrities story, I don't understand why Giggs acted this way, from the outside it looks like the most complicated scenario.
and they are randy.Because they've made the best menage a trois comedies
Yeah, poor girl with no moral agency in all this. How dare Giggs pimp her out to the entire squad.
nothing in that incident indicated Giggs was a sadist. A sadist would publish the sex tape on the internet for the whole world to see.It's very interesting how (regarding his adultery) a lot of people are unable to look at this without them imagining themselves being in Rohdri's shoes. Only explanation for the hyperbole regarding his character (not speaking to the current case where he's not been convicted)
So are you if the stories are to believed
Have you seen Depardieu lately? Gonna be a rough prep for the role.
Oh man I saw some french film about a photographer or something once on A&E or Bravo. By god it was dirty and it wasn't even a porno.Why French?
It's one of the strangest celebrities story, I don't understand why Giggs acted this way, from the outside it looks like the most complicated scenario.
@thundercats
Do you or a sibling of yours on the Cafe, by any chance use the words:
"Busy Foolish and totally idiot"
"Rascal gay"
And by any chance, are you totally against not eating onions and garlic?
Asking for a friend
Do you or a sibling of yours on the Cafe, by any chance use the words:
"Busy Foolish and totally idiot"
"Rascal gay"
And by any chance, are you totally against not eating onions and garlic?
Asking for a friend