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Any Glazer apologist is lying when he says he is a Red.
no i believe its not allowed nowOut of interest, does anybody know if the Glazers would currently be allowed to buy the club on the same kind of deal they used in 2005?
A big part of their mismanagement of the club is constantly assigning money men to run the club and focus just on revenues.I know that they are leeches and the blame is on them for keeping nincompoops in top position in the club. But this has got nothing to do with money. Lots of good players were available for reasonable price if competent people were at United.
Because they want to see us slowly rot away, we used to be an important part of this league but now are totally irrelevantThen why don't the FA step in, retrospective action, not fit and proper people to own a club, protecting a nation treasure/assest, etc?
It's absolutely crazy that we are been used as some sort of benchmark as how not to let a football club be taken oever, They made a mistake letting this happen, now do something to help us.
If only the Glazers were linked to Russia somehow, then we could get some sort of preferential treatment from the FA finally, and be given a hand picked new owner, who has to be squeeky clean, and promise all sorts of wonderful things just to be considered..
Damn it why did this have to happen to us in order to force a law change, goodnight Utd is basically what this league is happy to say and that's bang out of order.no i believe its not allowed now
The real question I have now is this: does the UK government have the balls to move the goalposts far enough to punish people on what has been done in the past? I know that some people were laughing at Spain when they were suing footballers and managers left, right and center for tax evasion a few years back. But there was a rationale behind those lawsuits; honest and hard-working regular people were fecked over by rich people taking advantage of weak tax laws and other loopholes for too long. Something has got to give. Retrospective action has to take place.Yeah the fact they’re now getting off the arse to do something about it is good but also a little too late for clubs who have already suffered from this. Also fecking wild that we had to wait until 2022 for that action. Glazers committed robbery nearly two decades ago.
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Thank you for sitting the poster downA big part of their mismanagement of the club is constantly assigning money men to run the club and focus just on revenues.
Ex post facto punishment is a non-starter in any serious legal system, for obvious reasons. Will never happen.The real question I have now is this: does the UK government have the balls to move the goalposts far enough to punish people on what has been done in the past? I know that some people were laughing at Spain when they were suing footballers and managers left, right and center for tax evasion a few years back. But there was a rationale behind those lawsuits; honest and hard-working regular people were fecked over by rich people taking advantage of weak tax laws and other loopholes for too long. Something has got to give. Retrospective action has to take place.
Someone found this vid from a few years back. If it wasn't for some guy signing both Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski, the Buccs would linger in the abyss for a longer period of time after 2002. Speaks volumes about the Glazers making people sick in the way they handle sports ownership.
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100%Any Glazer apologist is lying when he says he is a Red.
You make me sick by selling those irrelevant points instead of looking carefully at the larger picture.I'm not saying the Glazers are perfect, far from it. However, they have helped put money back into fans pockets. ST prices frozen for a decade, concessions like beers being the cheapest in the league at just £3 a pint. All i'm saying is they aren't nearly as bad as some of the other cash grabbing owners out there. Saving the average fan a few hundred pound a season...
I fear there is no antidote eitherThe same issues year after year - it's got to be more than coincidence. Player after player comes with a good reputation and leaves with it tarnished. We've changed squad members, we've changed managers, but we haven't changed the toxicity at the club. The poison is at the core.
In what way?Very telling the club didn't come out with any briefing or message today after that debacle
Hard not to walk away from this clubThe Glazers horrendous mismanagement of the club just turns away potential bids . United have alot of untapped potential, which is fair, but the work that needs to go into the club is just too much for even the most ambitious of billionaires, on and off the pitch. For starters we arguably need a brand new stadium and that wont be cheap.
I think Ratcliffe himself suggested that he'd only ever consider bidding for United if they have a somewhat stable foundation already in place. Well, that isn't happening anytime soon and nor is a bid to buy us.
Not punishment, but leveraged buyouts of football clubs could be made against the rules and any resulting debt from leveraged buyouts from previous acquisitions to be cleared by the owners. If they are in no position to do so then they are forced to sell.Ex post facto punishment is a non-starter in any serious legal system, for obvious reasons. Will never happen.
eh yes it is, i would never walk away from United, Conference winners or Champions league winnersHard not to walk away from this club
i think nothing is happening to force that….match delays, unseemly scenes are unfortunately the only way to force these issues. Neville and co where happy to condone this route post the Super League they don’t seem so keen as they watch the club get battered by every team they face.i feel like the pressure is building for them to sell.
Fans need to empty the stadium. Enough is enough. We support the team by getting the leaches out. With a global audience the stage is setSurely there'll be significant protests at the Liverpool game or at least outside the club, which Sky will not cover.
I have sent lengthy emails to both the premier League and the uk sports minister Nadine Dorries in the last few days emphasizing the new ban on leveraged buyouts, the ‘fit and proper’ ownership rule list and that the club is a huge national asset/institution. I asked that the Glazers should be made to either remove the debt immediately or sell the club to ‘fit and proper’ owners.Then why don't the FA step in, retrospective action, not fit and proper people to own a club, protecting a nation treasure/assest, etc?
It's absolutely crazy that we are been used as some sort of benchmark as how not to let a football club be taken oever, They made a mistake letting this happen, now do something to help us.
If only the Glazers were linked to Russia somehow, then we could get some sort of preferential treatment from the FA finally, and be given a hand picked new owner, who has to be squeeky clean, and promise all sorts of wonderful things just to be considered..
We need to create a forum with the tamba Bay bucaneers and find a way to proper attack the glazers.The real question I have now is this: does the UK government have the balls to move the goalposts far enough to punish people on what has been done in the past? I know that some people were laughing at Spain when they were suing footballers and managers left, right and center for tax evasion a few years back. But there was a rationale behind those lawsuits; honest and hard-working regular people were fecked over by rich people taking advantage of weak tax laws and other loopholes for too long. Something has got to give. Retrospective action has to take place.
Someone found this vid from a few years back. If it wasn't for some guy signing both Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski, the Buccs would linger in the abyss for a longer period of time after 2002. Speaks volumes about the Glazers making people sick in the way they handle sports ownership.
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As much as I hate the Glazers, I hate retrospective rule changes even more.The real question I have now is this: does the UK government have the balls to move the goalposts far enough to punish people on what has been done in the past? I know that some people were laughing at Spain when they were suing footballers and managers left, right and center for tax evasion a few years back. But there was a rationale behind those lawsuits; honest and hard-working regular people were fecked over by rich people taking advantage of weak tax laws and other loopholes for too long. Something has got to give. Retrospective action has to take place.
Someone found this vid from a few years back. If it wasn't for some guy signing both Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski, the Buccs would linger in the abyss for a longer period of time after 2002. Speaks volumes about the Glazers making people sick in the way they handle sports ownership.
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I have sent lengthy emails to both the premier League and the uk sports minister Nadine Dorries in the last few days emphasizing the new ban on leveraged buyouts, the ‘fit and proper’ ownership rule list and that the club is a huge national asset/institution. I asked that the Glazers should be made to either remove the debt immediately or sell the club to ‘fit and proper’ owners.
It might do nothing but worth a try. I would suggest everyone does the same.
I am going to forward to the FA now too.
the end game is selling the club, for sureYou have to question at this point what is the Glazer end-game?
I think the dividends are a red herring personally, there are far more profitable investments the Glazers' could have made in that respect.
There could be the prestige of owning a sports team...but where's the prestige if the team is terrible and your name is dragged through the mud constantly?
The very obvious explanation is that they got in because they expected the club to continue to increase in value, along with the market for football globally, and it did for while....but the way things are now, the share price is down like 66% from it's all-time high and the club looks less and less attractive to sponsors/partners/investors/buyers every day
Hopefully soon they will realise they can't grow this business and the best thing for them to do is sell at a reasonable price and pocket the profit.
Plus the fact that the club has now basically depleted it's cash reserves - we had £350m in the bank until recently, we're now down to about £50mthe end game is selling the club, for sure
they are probably holding on for a Super League or some sort of situation that enables them to gain more autonomy on TV rights
agree the dividends aren’t that important
I don’t think a sale is that far off, personally.. the Super league disaster and the team/club/stadium needing so much investment might be the tipping point
while i agree with disliking retrospectivity on a personal level (ie the income tax example), the private acquisition of a community asset as significant as United, not to mention it’s subsequent negligent operating, falls into its own category, or at least is unique enough that it could.As much as I hate the Glazers, I hate retrospective rule changes even more.
Rule changes are often required but punishing people for obeying rules is just wrong. It is lime the government saying, we are increasing income tax by five percent and backdaring it byten years so gou all owe us thousands
If that is true then surely it's best to hire a DOF who has top level experience and free up a couple of Murtough's responsibilities.Tweet
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IF this is true, it explains a lot.
We are a joke. Turning to a proven failure, to help those failing.
They underestimated the learning curve Woodward had to go through, and have just ended up repeating his mistakes from Summer 2013. Woodward's strategy that season was ask Moyes what he wants - and what Moyes wanted was big stars and ex-players.Tweet
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IF this is true, it explains a lot.
We are a joke. Turning to a proven failure, to help those failing.
Surely. They’ve pretty much overplayed their hand at this stage. The investment required to keep their asset value is too great, it’s going to continue depreciating. So if they’re looking to sell, probably wait til the ESL case is heard in November/December, and if that collapses, there’s no reason to not sell them and there.Plus the fact that the club has now basically depleted it's cash reserves - we had £350m in the bank until recently, we're now down to about £50m
If this is true, we may as well give up.Tweet
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IF this is true, it explains a lot.
We are a joke. Turning to a proven failure, to help those failing.