Government will attempt to prorogue Parliament

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Peter van der Gea

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If he announces it for October 14, that means it's only the first two weeks of September to bring anything to parliament to stop no deal, right, so will that be enough time?
 

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If he announces it for October 14, that means it's only the first two weeks of September to bring anything to parliament to stop no deal, right, so will that be enough time?
How would that work though. Say they do have time, say the pass the legislation, say PM resigns and calls for a GE on the 4th of Nov. Who can ask Brussels for an extension in the meantime?
 

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Bercow on the Warpath.

I cant wait to see Hammond and May voting against a conservative Government.
 

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Might have to rely on the Queen to save your democracy here. She also has the prerogative to dismiss the prime minister and appoint one of her own choosing.

Dismiss both parliament and government, appoint some elderly lord charged with seeking an extension from the EU, call for general election and new referendum on no deal vs May's deal vs staying, and you might just have some sort of restoration of democratic representation.
 

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Yes but it is an unwritten constitution which essentially means it's has developed through various Judge rulings over the centuries.
Yeah that's what I remember reading, that it was based on case laws. Thought i missed the news where they had codified the Constitution.
 

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Might have to rely on the Queen to save your democracy here. She also has the prerogative to dismiss the prime minister and appoint one of her own choosing.

Dismiss both parliament and government, appoint some elderly lord charged with seeking an extension from the EU, call for general election and new referendum on no deal vs May's deal vs staying, and you might just have some sort of restoration of democratic representation.
The Queen can't do shit even if she wanted to.
 

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I know it has been hinted at for ages but the sheer effrontery of these bastards is quite something.
 

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Looks more dramatic than it is.
it's pretty fecking dramatic when you're paid in pounds, but live in a country that uses USD as a currency, also petty dramatic when this has been happening on average once every month or so for the whole year at least!

fecking tory self absorbed twats :)

Saw someone else write it here - Brexit is a cult, we'll all go together......
 

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Johnson, rees-mogg and the rest of their ilk are scum, and should be lined up on the mall with blindfolds and a nice cigarette, executed and all of their assets seized. Pricks.
 

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Lot of outrage over this. Which means a lot of people, including a large number of our MPs don't actually know how UK democracy works.

First, the Queen cannot stop it. She works on the advice of the government and will enact whatever they say she must do.

Second, this is a very common practice. Usually taking place once a year, however it's been over 2 years since the last time parliaments was suspended.

It is also common practice for a new government to suspend parliament shortly after taking power.
 

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No 10 are actively trying to get a VONC so they can fight a GE. Think about the madness of that :lol:

This will hopefully backfire as surely those swing voters will see such tactics unfavourably.
 

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I don't think she can refuse really - she holds no power at all in reality. Also if she did refuse then that would be a political decision which goes against everything she has done in her lifetime of keeping political neutrality. She will do what she is told.
That's not really true, ask the Chagossians. She can and has use her prerogative powers, albeit it's normally in alignment with government, rather than as a stand against them.
 

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Lot of outrage over this. Which means a lot of people, including a large number of our MPs don't actually know how UK democracy works.

First, the Queen cannot stop it. She works on the advice of the government and will enact whatever they say she must do.

Second, this is a very common practice. Usually taking place once a year, however it's been over 2 years since the last time parliaments was suspended.

It is also common practice for a new government to suspend parliament shortly after taking power.
This isn't a new government that requires an election.
 

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Lot of outrage over this. Which means a lot of people, including a large number of our MPs don't actually know how UK democracy works.

First, the Queen cannot stop it. She works on the advice of the government and will enact whatever they say she must do.

Second, this is a very common practice. Usually taking place once a year, however it's been over 2 years since the last time parliaments was suspended.

It is also common practice for a new government to suspend parliament shortly after taking power.
This is not a new government. The ruling minority administration has changed its leader.
 

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Lot of outrage over this. Which means a lot of people, including a large number of our MPs don't actually know how UK democracy works.

First, the Queen cannot stop it. She works on the advice of the government and will enact whatever they say she must do.

Second, this is a very common practice. Usually taking place once a year, however it's been over 2 years since the last time parliaments was suspended.

It is also common practice for a new government to suspend parliament shortly after taking power.
This seems a touch disingenuous. There’s a big difference between “can” you do something and “should” you do something. Making this request now under the guise of “we need a Queen’s speech to introduce a new legislative programme” is so transparent as be be invisible. The huge elephant in the room is Brexit, nothing of note can happen until that is sorted, to suggest that this new programme can not wait 6 weeks is asinine.
 

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This isn't a new government that requires an election.
Well, no. It isn't a new government but it is a new Prime Minister and cabinet, who are free to use the tools available to them, just as every government before them has.
 

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it's pretty fecking dramatic when you're paid in pounds, but live in a country that uses USD as a currency, also petty dramatic when this has been happening on average once every month or so for the whole year at least!

fecking tory self absorbed twats :)

Saw someone else write it here - Brexit is a cult, we'll all go together......

I think he means the scale on that chart makes the drop look bigger than it really is. 1.2280 to the current 1.2200 isn't much, at least compared to the 3 year mess that has been Brexit so far.


I am hoping this is Boris trying to call the EU/Parliament's bluff on a no deal Brexit. I can't believe that's what he really wants.
 

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No 10 are actively trying to get a VONC so they can fight a GE. Think about the madness of that :lol:

This will hopefully backfire as surely those swing voters will see such tactics unfavourably.
I assume this is the plan, yes. I would expect an electoral pact between the Conservatives and the Brexit Party.
 

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Lot of outrage over this. Which means a lot of people, including a large number of our MPs don't actually know how UK democracy works.

First, the Queen cannot stop it. She works on the advice of the government and will enact whatever they say she must do.

Second, this is a very common practice. Usually taking place once a year, however it's been over 2 years since the last time parliaments was suspended.

It is also common practice for a new government to suspend parliament shortly after taking power.
Nice try.

The tories deliberately timed their leadership contest to deny time before the summer recess. Then refused to recall parliament during the recess despite clear precedence when in unusual time, which these clearly are.

Their objective is as clear as day. Subvert parliament to push through their agenda, for which they have no mandate.

Time for a general election. If the tories win then we truly will deserve, as a country, all which they bring down upon us.
 

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This seems a touch disingenuous. There’s a big difference between “can” you do something and “should” you do something. Making this request now under the guise of “we need a Queen’s speech to introduce a new legislative programme” is so transparent as be be invisible. The huge elephant in the room is Brexit, nothing of note can happen until that is sorted, to suggest that this new programme can not wait 6 weeks is asinine.
Whether or not this is the right thing to do is debatable. The fact is it is not undemocratic, isn't treason and isn't a constitutional threat as some MPs have hysterically claimed.

All it has done so far is highlight that the people we elect to represent us haven't got a clue about how it all works. It was only a few weeks ago they were threatening to bring down the government.
 

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Well, no. It isn't a new government but it is a new Prime Minister and cabinet, who are free to use the tools available to them, just as every government before them has.
Ending a parliamentary session was never tool to be used to allow the executive to circumvent parliamentary scrutiny. That's akin to saying that using a car is a tool that's available to you, while mowing down pedestrians.
 
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