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Brownfinger
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you must be fecking loaded.My taxes over my lifetime funded it 10 times over
you must be fecking loaded.My taxes over my lifetime funded it 10 times over
like what?The belief that there arent any suitable alternatives is horribly misguided. There are so many solutions and alternatives happening around the world that are slowly but surely making positive changes. You need to start to actually look, when you do you will see them.
My point hasn't changed from earlier. Read it or don't, it's all the same to me.Yeah, sorry I’m not reading all that tonight. What’s your point?
Cry harder.Does she just go around Europe getting arrested now? What a twat.
Usually this is followed up with an explanation of what is really trueIt's amazing how ignorant people can be about how radical societal change actually happens.
but its not just a societal change, is itIt's amazing how ignorant people can be about how radical societal change actually happens.
history tells the opposite storyWhy? You only hear about her when she is in trouble with the law in various countries.
She doesn’t have the gobby precocious kid angle anymore to shock and delight, and people are familiar with her shenanigans now - she doesn’t get much exposure anymore.
Im not saying don’t agree with her cause, but there are other and better ways to go about affecting change than anti-social behaviour and disturbing the peace.
True. It's an existential threat to future of society. Radical change is the only thing that might save us short of some magic solution.but its not just a societal change, is it
It's unpleasant for her and all those scientists to shine attention on something that makes me sad. I prefer to hear about climate change solely through large corporations telling me how much they care, they make me feel like everything is okay.
If we just wait I'm sure they'll sort it out, they do care loads.
What an incredibly naive world view. Name me an important historical movement that hasn’t involved civil disobedience.Im not saying don’t agree with her cause, but there are other and better ways to go about affecting change than anti-social behaviour and disturbing the peace.
The point is that you would have rolled your eyes at the American Civil Rights Movement and called Martin Luther King a twat.Yeah, sorry I’m not reading all that tonight. What’s your point?
Come on @Plant0x84, I’m waiting for this too. Enlighten us as to how our human society just does the right thing in the end.What an incredibly naive world view. Name me an important historical movement that hasn’t involved civil disobedience.
Who do you think I am, Simon Schama?Come on @Plant0x84, I’m waiting for this too. Enlighten us as to how our human society just does the right thing in the end.
People are well aware of everything she's protesting. We mostly don't really give a shit though..The point of a protest is to get attention.
Oh do give the examples! Especially the ones that make wholesale changes to industry and private sector profits.Im not saying don’t agree with her cause, but there are other and better ways to go about affecting change than anti-social behaviour and disturbing the peace.
Mostly aware of, but with huge and powerful and very activist group trying to undermine it.People are well aware of everything she's protesting. We mostly don't really give a shit though..
already answered aboveOh do give the examples! Especially the ones that make wholesale changes to industry and private sector profits.
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The ones raging about traffic jams whilst the world around them collapses is a great example.Who do you think I am, Simon Schama?
Human society never does the right thing. We are the worst species alive and the worst thing to ever happen to this planet. Other than that my answer would be natural selection. The weak and stupid always get weeded out in the end.
Who do you think I am, Simon Schama?
Human society never does the right thing. We are the worst species alive and the worst thing to ever happen to this planet. Other than that my answer would be natural selection. The weak and stupid always get weeded out in the end.
If it was going to just be an instant death for everyone, while before that everyone was living as normal, I could get on board with this thinking. But it clearly won't be that, so this way of thinking is incredibly selfish.Who do you think I am, Simon Schama?
Human society never does the right thing. We are the worst species alive and the worst thing to ever happen to this planet. Other than that my answer would be natural selection. The weak and stupid always get weeded out in the end.
The right attention though don't you think? She's getting attention but in this particular situation, it's mixed. It seems as if she got more negative reactions vs raising awareness. I love that she's one of the few trying but disrupting the daily lives of regular citizens will overshadow her cause.The point of a protest is to get attention.
Not only the fact that disruptions will turn people off, but historically, publicity stunts tend to benefit the brand of their perpetrators more than the causes they claim to support.The right attention though don't you think? She's getting attention but in this particular situation, it's mixed. It seems as if she got more negative reactions vs raising awareness. I love that she's one of the few trying but disrupting the daily lives of regular citizens will overshadow her cause.
But we can get angry at a young person for pointing out that the king is naked. Or that the world is rapidly melting.People are well aware of everything she's protesting. We mostly don't really give a shit though..
Agreed. She's crossing over into influencer territory or will be viewed that way if she continues on this new path. Would be a shame because all her previous efforts will be viewed from a different perspective.Not only the fact that disruptions will turn people off, but historically, publicity stunts tend to benefit the brand of their perpetrators more than the causes they claim to support.
Such as?but historically, publicity stunts tend to benefit the brand of their perpetrators more than the causes they claim to support.
That’s the important part. Those who claim to be turned off by this stuff, didn’t give a shit before and wouldn’t have otherwise. They just search for excuses to justify their lack of action and their gigantic ignorance towards the severity of climate change.For what is worth I interact with lots of teenagers and young adults and the vast majority like greta and support what she does and the protests. Older folks are usually so entrenched in their "meh it is what it is" attitude they fail to realize they are not the target of these protests. If you see greta getting arrested at a protest and your first reaction is to call her a twat or suggest these protests are counter productive, you were never in a million years going to be an active ally in this fight. So the protesters are right in ignoring these complaints of disruption and focus on the folks that can actually become active allies.
I was thinking mainly of the Greenpeace movement in the 80s and 90s. Plenty of spectacular boat interventions of larger ships, but in the end, they did little to change policy and plenty to enhance Greenpeace's brand and fundraising capability.Such as?
Good point. The lines between being a monetized, for profit social media influencer and conscientious activist for a political cause are increasingly blurred these days.Agreed. She's crossing over into influencer territory or will be viewed that way if she continues on this new path. Would be a shame because all her previous efforts will be viewed from a different perspective.
All protests are publicity stunts. They'd be pointless otherwise.Not only the fact that disruptions will turn people off, but historically, publicity stunts tend to benefit the brand of their perpetrators more than the causes they claim to support.
The right attention though don't you think? She's getting attention but in this particular situation, it's mixed. It seems as if she got more negative reactions vs raising awareness. I love that she's one of the few trying but disrupting the daily lives of regular citizens will overshadow her cause.
Good point and her aim is to get people talking about it and here we are. I guess their hope is that the negative attention will bring some awareness which is better than no awareness.No protest is ever praised by the establishment, by definition its them you are protesting against do they try to tut tut the whole thing. So most media, who are linked to many the of perpetrators, focus on the micro disruption and how Billy the cab driver (the ordinary man) is disgruntled.
Good point and her aim is to get people talking about it and here we are. I guess their hope is that the negative attention will bring some awareness which is better than no awareness.
Exactly this. Pissing everyone off and getting herself a criminal record won’t endear her or her cause to anyone.The right attention though don't you think? She's getting attention but in this particular situation, it's mixed. It seems as if she got more negative reactions vs raising awareness. I love that she's one of the few trying but disrupting the daily lives of regular citizens will overshadow her cause.
Nah, she's not pissing me off, and I couldn't give less of a feck about this sort of "criminal record".Exactly this. Pissing everyone off and getting herself a criminal record won’t endear her or her cause to anyone.