We understand that you are uber-biased, but stop being ridiculous.There’s also a lot of irony about Swedish complaints about that two guys behavior after the match when half the country was on the pitch to claim that red for Boateng
A very sad reflection of what is going on in Sweden. A racist party is being more popular than ever in Sweden, and unfortunately it shows in other corners of our society as well. However, it makes me glad on the other hand that there is a big manifestation accross Sweden to stand by Durmaz, yet it makes me worried and sad that it goes so far.
That is absolutely false, Zizou started without Casemiro in his first couple of matches in the league, but since the away CL game vs Wolfsburg in his first year, till his last the day at the club it was always Casemiro (Kovacic), Kroos, Modric. A 2 man midfield of Modric/Kroos wouldn't work, let alone with Gundagon who is a lesser player than Moric in all aspects esp. defensively.
Just checked it and I were wrong. Guess my memory let me down on this one. However, they played many games in the league and the earlier phases of the CL with a Modric/Kroos midfield. Sometimes they even played a 4-3-3 with Kroos, Isco and Modric together. But you are right, especially in the KO stages, Casemiro played.
This might sound strange, but I'm quite relieved to see these racist tendencies in Sweden. Before you guys skin me alive, please allow me to explain: We all know about the controversy regarding Özil and Gündogan and what an uproar they caused in Germany. I was outraged and disgusted not by the actual, genuine concerns many people had about the both of them taking that picture, but by the level of blind and unreflected hatred and threats they received for it. Reading those comments made me sad and ashamed to be german.A very sad reflection of what is going on in Sweden. A racist party is being more popular than ever in Sweden, and unfortunately it shows in other corners of our society as well. However, it makes me glad on the other hand that there is a big manifestation accross Sweden to stand by Durmaz, yet it makes me worried and sad that it goes so far.
So that was uber-classy and that other minor incident deserved a national uproar? Okay. I think it's both to be ignored, but that's just me (and different standards by some people). Touch your own nose and shut up about it, as we would say in Germany.
There is, actually. If you look at the DFB forums section of transfermarkt.de, you can detect a strong anti-Mannschaft and an even stronger anti-Löw movement. It may be mostly personal, because most of them just can't seem to stand Jogi's face or whatever, but it's definitely there. The main topic appears to be this: When we win, it's in spite of Löw's tactics. When we lose, it's because of his tactics. So yeah - many folks around here want our team to fail so that we can get rid of him. Tbh, I say feck 'em.
I don't like Low but in no way would I sacrifice the success of the team to see him out. I think it's more down to the Ozil/Gundogan fiasco and the toxicity around the fans support for the team with them in there, it may have had a personal impact on them as well; disgraceful from the fans and I don't disagree with Kroos that some want the team to lose because of it.
What else should he assume if his fans are already booing the team before the tournament starts?
Some fans booing two particular players for a specific reason, doesn't equate to the press and nation wanting die Mannschaft to fail.
Did they? Or "just" Özil and Gündogan?
That could be... Though I have not experienced anything special in contrast to other years. But I'm not reading other forums at the minute so don't know much about it apart from my real life experience.
Well and this was also my gist of it. "In an age of social media not everyone loves us!"
How many there were, they were clearly audible during the game. And look at this thread in itself, there are pages dedicated to the argument regarding Ozil and Gundogan; I don't live in Germany myself but there wasn't a debate going on there regarding them?
So what? It's a democracy, thus people debate things?
When did I say it's not a democracy? What I'm saying is that if you debate this issue and openly boo the players then you have to admit it creates a toxic atmosphere around the team. No one is saying you can't, but you definitely should be criticised for it.
First of all I and the majority of people didn't boo anyone. Secondly this debate wasn't created by the public it was created by Özil and Gündogan and it has been significantly exacerbated by the "it's a world cup, so shut up" mentality that the DFB and Kroos apparently have regarding this topic.
And yet you are butthurt about it?
One would think Germnay lost, going by your posts - or that you are not used to winning. You are german for feck sake, that win was like an ordinary day for you guys - get a gripThat "debate" basically revolved around the unspoken idea of revoking their citizenships. It was just a welcomed opportunity for the AfD for further the discussion about what can be considered as "Truly German" and what not.
I understand you; and I agree, Scandinavian countries got very well reputation, but the truth is... well, it may seem perfect from the outside, but it is definetly not the case if you'd live here. Although, I can only speak about my own experience as a Swede in Sweden in this case. I love my country for so many reasons, but can't deny the fact that we must be the lonliest people on the planet (so many people are so self-conscious that we may seem socially retarded), and since many later years there are problems with growing racist political stand; a sad development that we have seen accross Europe - as you also mentioned.
Right. That's why it was debated and criticised across all spectrums. TAZ is a right wing outlet as well I guess?
They're mostly referring to the press and pundits. Most of the football fans are just that, football fans. They'll be frustrated, ecstatic and devastated depending on the outcome of the last game. But they'll always be behind the team if they show proper mentality. Having said that, Germans haven't felt as confident in the team as in 2014. Not putting blame on specific players, but Lahm, Schweinsteiger and Klose combined a lot of experience and the mentality on how to come back from bitter, bitter defeats. It's that steel like mentality that was lacking in the first game. It's that steel mentality that made them force the victory against Sweden. So we're a bit more confident now actually. They need to show it's not just a one time thing against SK, though. They need to absolutely destroy SK. Then it's game on in the knockout stages...
Saying "they shouldn't be part of the team" or doubting that they are German and booing them during matches is not a political debate. Like I said, a political debate is always welcome but what transpired was anything but that.
http://www.taz.de/!5511556/
What transpired is that everyone from left to right took issue with those pictures and how it was handled. Trying to reduce this to the reaction from the (far) right is - again - just a cheap way to dismiss a valid public debate/discussion.
I'm not trying to frame Kroos as anything, especially since I don't even know what he meant specifically- mostly thanks to a toothless reporter who didn't ask him to elobarate on that statement. I just said that I see it as a disconnect from reality when someone says the whole press and nation want die Mannschaft to fail.
They called Erdogan "my president" , people are supposed to ignore that?
Straight from the horses' mouth
Except he never said "the whole press and nation", he merely referred to "some". And in that he's hardly wrong, there's enough material circling around. That you're trying so hard to distort his message is quite telling...
That was in response to a particular post, not to Kroos.
He said relatively many ["relativ viele"] which I took as a lot, but after watching the interview again I can see that maybe I've misinterpreted it, it's a pity Delling just let that hang in the air without asking him to clarify. I'm not sure what you're think is telling though. Personally I'm not even sure whether he was hinting at Gündogan and Özil at all, that was brought up by another user. I wouldn't be surprised if he just meant the reaction towards the Mexico match.
From a footballing perspective, yes. They are still German.
Yeah, but luckily football isn't the number 1 priority when it comes to politics.
Reducing this to the AfD is stupid. There's been valid criticism from many sides and they need to take it on. They haven't. How anyone with a German passport, supposed to feel at home in this land and this democracy, can do something like this is simply beyond me. I'm sorry. And I won't look past it just because "it's the world cup, duh". They have done nothing to explain it so they shouldn't complain that they are being criticized.
Can easily me interpreted as something else. Given the rest of the post it might be that something else.Grindel - our much beloved DFB president - apparently already gave Löw a job guarantee even if things go sideways today.
The french FA did the same months ago with Deschamps extending his contract for after the WC. It can easily be interpreted as financially securing their buddies in the worst possible scenario and at the best he still works with themGrindel - our much beloved DFB president - apparently already gave Löw a job guarantee even if things go sideways today.
He did so via an interview, hours before die Mannschaft might get eliminated in group stages. I think he means it.
Can you translate the key? Is the dark green 2nd place and light green first?
Everything is still possible
