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he ll be taller thanCrouch by the age of 18...Video is two years old. 14 at the time.
he ll be taller thanCrouch by the age of 18...Video is two years old. 14 at the time.
Then we'll pay them compensation. They have no grounds to report us to FIFA, apart from sulking over us poaching him. Mind you, poaching players like this doesn't sit too comfortably with me, we wouldn't like it if it happened to us, I'd rather we agreed to pay a fair fee dependent on his progress.
We seem to be stocking up with some highly regarded kids in the reserves, all of this poaching would stop if the FA scratch the stupid 90 minute rule.
who is the Bebe hater?Confirmed by the club, according to the Bebe hater.
The next Nwanko KanuBlatantly pinching this from the newbs (credit to poster named Cevno, link to original thread here, for anyone who can access said forum)
Apparently we've signed this van Velzen bloke, who is 16, a winger and joins us from Ajax.
This was discovered via his Twitter page, which said the following on July 23rd:
Also discussed on an Ajax forum.
Obligatory youtubage...
It is a ridiculous system, to deny a gifted individual their right to specialized training based on where they live in the country.It isn't the 90 minute rule that has bred the term 'poaching' it is the setting up of Academy's.
In the 1950's to mid 1990's.....kids couldn't sign Associate terms until they were 15. So good players would train at numerous clubs, try different places out and then sign a contract.
It didn't matter where they lived and then they joined a club after leaving school.
In the late 1990's the FA scrapped Lilleshall and introduced the Academy system so that kids as young as 6/7 were now being 'coached' by clubs and there was this belief that.....
...."since we coached them and you want them you have to pay us compensation or we will accuse you of poaching".....
The FA reinforced this process to 'protect' clubs losing their talent.
But back in the 1950's....Bobby Moncur the great Newcastle player was training at United. But because he wanted to go to Newcastle and hadn't signed a contract, United had to let him go. It happened everywhere.
Usually the best lads got the best coaching.
Now you could have a fantastic natural talent living in Norfolk (as an example) and is with Norwich Academy. But the Norwich coaches are average...the facilities are average....and the opportunities of learning from other great players is average....
But the FA has to protect Norwich City regardless.
Then they introduced the 90 minute rule to reinforce it.
So now our fantastic talent is not allowed to go anywhere but Norwich or Ipswich because he was born in the wrong place.
The whole system is ludicrous.
In any other industry it wouldn't happen.
So now, United are forced to look overseas more often because of these rules. In most cases when we identify a talent at another club, United agree a compensation fee with the club.....as in the recent case with Sean McGinty.
Finally, don't forget...there are loads of clubs who use this to their advantage and hope to find a talented youngster and then sell him on at a good profit. It has nothing to do what is best for the player...it's all about money.
John Cofie was spotted playing in Germany by Burnley. He had less than one season at Turf Moor before United 'poached' him. (I really hate the term as I thing it gives the wrong picture of reality). So United paid Burnley compensation....
...but really...what significant 'coaching and development' did Burnley do in such a small space of time?
I am not criticising Burnley in any way here...it is the FA process that is wrong.
So now some Academies, don't even let their kids play football at school, for their county, for their country and even for their own club just in case they get 'spotted'.
Seriously....kids just want to play!
Great post.It isn't the 90 minute rule that has bred the term 'poaching' it is the setting up of Academy's.
In the 1950's to mid 1990's.....kids couldn't sign Associate terms until they were 15. So good players would train at numerous clubs, try different places out and then sign a contract.
It didn't matter where they lived and then they joined a club after leaving school.
In the late 1990's the FA scrapped Lilleshall and introduced the Academy system so that kids as young as 6/7 were now being 'coached' by clubs and there was this belief that.....
...."since we coached them and you want them you have to pay us compensation or we will accuse you of poaching".....
The FA reinforced this process to 'protect' clubs losing their talent.
But back in the 1950's....Bobby Moncur the great Newcastle player was training at United. But because he wanted to go to Newcastle and hadn't signed a contract, United had to let him go. It happened everywhere.
Usually the best lads got the best coaching.
Now you could have a fantastic natural talent living in Norfolk (as an example) and is with Norwich Academy. But the Norwich coaches are average...the facilities are average....and the opportunities of learning from other great players is average....
But the FA has to protect Norwich City regardless.
Then they introduced the 90 minute rule to reinforce it.
So now our fantastic talent is not allowed to go anywhere but Norwich or Ipswich because he was born in the wrong place.
The whole system is ludicrous.
In any other industry it wouldn't happen.
So now, United are forced to look overseas more often because of these rules. In most cases when we identify a talent at another club, United agree a compensation fee with the club.....as in the recent case with Sean McGinty.
Finally, don't forget...there are loads of clubs who use this to their advantage and hope to find a talented youngster and then sell him on at a good profit. It has nothing to do what is best for the player...it's all about money.
John Cofie was spotted playing in Germany by Burnley. He had less than one season at Turf Moor before United 'poached' him. (I really hate the term as I thing it gives the wrong picture of reality). So United paid Burnley compensation....
...but really...what significant 'coaching and development' did Burnley do in such a small space of time?
I am not criticising Burnley in any way here...it is the FA process that is wrong.
So now some Academies, don't even let their kids play football at school, for their county, for their country and even for their own club just in case they get 'spotted'.
Seriously....kids just want to play!
As claimed many times before.. We hardly ever announce our youth transfers.. But IMO this is a done deal..is this even official yet?
and - in the long term - would help in the development of a better England teamThen we'll pay them compensation. They have no grounds to report us to FIFA, apart from sulking over us poaching him. Mind you, poaching players like this doesn't sit too comfortably with me, we wouldn't like it if it happened to us, I'd rather we agreed to pay a fair fee dependent on his progress.
We seem to be stocking up with some highly regarded kids in the reserves, all of this poaching would stop if the FA scratch the stupid 90 minute rule.
It won't be made official until they have international clearance, which if Ajax are lodging a complaint may take some time. The same happened with Pogba, Fornasier and Massacci last season despite them being with the club and training for a few months prior to receiving clearance.As claimed many times before.. We hardly ever announce our youth transfers.. But IMO this is a done deal..
Interesting choice of song to play a footie highlight clip to. I don't speak or understand a word of dutch, but that rapper must have dropped the N-bomb at least 20 times (the n-bomb in dutch, sounds exactly like the n-bomb in english...who'd have thunk it?), the only other words i can make out at feck, and mothafeck.Video is two years old. 14 at the time.
Yeah obviously he will only be able to play after Fifa give him the clearance to play..It won't be made official until they have international clearance, which if Ajax are lodging a complaint may take some time. The same happened with Pogba, Fornasier and Massacci last season despite them being with the club and training for a few months prior to receiving clearance.
If Ajax don't forward the appropriate paperwork then he would be unable to be registered.Yeah obviously he will only be able to play after Fifa give him the clearance to play..
But iirc We got the clearance for Pogba before we settled the issue with his old club.. So I am not sure if Ajax lodging a complaint will slow the process down unless Fifa finds out that we have done this transfer in any illegal way.. Feel free to correct me but this is what my opinion of it is.. Its a grey area so there may not be any right or wrong though..
He might be an arsehole on other matters but why is he an arsehole for giving us a progress update of this kid? Or are you against his usage of the word "taken"?he is an arsehole
daniel taylor that is .. not the yaaaaabitchyaaaa kid
He's only saying it because he got so much criticism for claiming that he was "hearing that Bebe has been decidedly unimpressive in first few MUFC training sessions". The guy is full of shit and he's plucking these 'sources' out of his arse.He might be an arsehole on other matters but why is he an arsehole for giving us a progress update of this kid? Or are you against his usage of the word "taken"?
Others have already said it, but ... this is a really great post.It isn't the 90 minute rule that has bred the term 'poaching' it is the setting up of Academy's.
In the 1950's to mid 1990's.....kids couldn't sign Associate terms until they were 15. So good players would train at numerous clubs, try different places out and then sign a contract.
It didn't matter where they lived and then they joined a club after leaving school.
In the late 1990's the FA scrapped Lilleshall and introduced the Academy system so that kids as young as 6/7 were now being 'coached' by clubs and there was this belief that.....
...."since we coached them and you want them you have to pay us compensation or we will accuse you of poaching".....
The FA reinforced this process to 'protect' clubs losing their talent.
But back in the 1950's....Bobby Moncur the great Newcastle player was training at United. But because he wanted to go to Newcastle and hadn't signed a contract, United had to let him go. It happened everywhere.
Usually the best lads got the best coaching.
Now you could have a fantastic natural talent living in Norfolk (as an example) and is with Norwich Academy. But the Norwich coaches are average...the facilities are average....and the opportunities of learning from other great players is average....
But the FA has to protect Norwich City regardless.
Then they introduced the 90 minute rule to reinforce it.
So now our fantastic talent is not allowed to go anywhere but Norwich or Ipswich because he was born in the wrong place.
The whole system is ludicrous.
In any other industry it wouldn't happen.
So now, United are forced to look overseas more often because of these rules. In most cases when we identify a talent at another club, United agree a compensation fee with the club.....as in the recent case with Sean McGinty.
Finally, don't forget...there are loads of clubs who use this to their advantage and hope to find a talented youngster and then sell him on at a good profit. It has nothing to do what is best for the player...it's all about money.
John Cofie was spotted playing in Germany by Burnley. He had less than one season at Turf Moor before United 'poached' him. (I really hate the term as I thing it gives the wrong picture of reality). So United paid Burnley compensation....
...but really...what significant 'coaching and development' did Burnley do in such a small space of time?
I am not criticising Burnley in any way here...it is the FA process that is wrong.
So now some Academies, don't even let their kids play football at school, for their county, for their country and even for their own club just in case they get 'spotted'.
Seriously....kids just want to play!
Hearing from whom? This I think is just a tweet he thinks will make people think he is balance and fair.DTguardian:
Little snippet from #MUFC: hearing some great things from Carrington of Gyliano van Velzen, the 16-year-old taken from Ajax academy
Twitter / daniel taylor: Little snippet from #MUFC: ...
Why? Is it so odd to think that a journalist has sources at a club? On the whole he is quite positive about United and it wasn't him that criticised Bebe, he was just passing on some information he had received. It seems a bit odd to hate him for that.Hearing from whom? This I think is just a tweet he thinks will make people think he is balance and fair.
Yes, a couple of odd things here, firstly very few have thought of the possibility that he may be making shit up.Why? Is it so odd to think that a journalist has sources at a club? On the whole he is quite positive about United and it wasn't him that criticised Bebe, he was just passing on some information he had received. It seems a bit odd to hate him for that.
Hardly needs to do that, the guy's generally positive about United most of the time. Not exactly unrealistic to think he's got sources either is it?Hearing from whom? This I think is just a tweet he thinks will make people think he is balance and fair.
Yaaa bitch yaaaa !!!!!
Very true but there is also the Anderson thing and Vidic. Prior to the Bebe comment few had a problem with him, I just think it has left a bad taste in people's mouths. Have to judge him individually rather than think he's been wrong/negative before so he must be now.Hardly needs to do that, the guy's generally positive about United most of the time. Not exactly unrealistic to think he's got sources either is it?
Like datura's said, people seem to be being a bit precious. He passed along a small bit of info he'd heard about Bebe, nothing more. Wasn't him who went to town on Bebe like the Daily Fail have. Should also be remembered that it was DT who broke the news of us signing Bebe before anyone else too, for those doubting he has 'sources'.
What was the 'Anderson thing'?Very true but there is also the Anderson thing and Vidic. Prior to the Bebe comment few had a problem with him, I just think it has left a bad taste in people's mouths. Have to judge him individually rather than think he's been wrong/negative before so he must be now.
He said that Fergie tore into Ando after the CC defeat to Coventry a few years back having been shocked and very disappointed with how Ando played (i also though he had a shocker that night). Fergie said a few days later in the Friday press conference that Ando was one of the best players on the pitch. People thus assumed that Taylor was lying about Fergie's reaction to the performance vs Coventry.What was the 'Anderson thing'?
I just think that some people have a tendency to complete overreact on here to the slightest criticism/negative reporting. These are independent journalists, not United reporters, you take the good with the bad and in general he appears to be one of the better ones.
The reaction to the Bebe tweet may make him less open to posting info like that on Van Velzen which would be a pity.
Pretty sure he was given the heads up on that one from Ben Hibbs, who regularly admits he has no idea what goes on at Carrington etc. As far as journalists go, I don't think he's all that bad. They're all lying tossers though.Hardly needs to do that, the guy's generally positive about United most of the time. Not exactly unrealistic to think he's got sources either is it?
Like datura's said, people seem to be being a bit precious. He passed along a small bit of info he'd heard about Bebe, nothing more. Wasn't him who went to town on Bebe like the Daily Fail have. Should also be remembered that it was DT who broke the news of us signing Bebe before anyone else too, for those doubting he has 'sources'.
Ah ok, thanks, I must have missed all of that!He said that Fergie tore into Ando after the CC defeat to Coventry a few years back having been shocked and very disappointed with how Ando played (i also though he had a shocker that night). Fergie said a few days later in the Friday press conference that Ando was one of the best players on the pitch. People thus assumed that Taylor was lying about Fergie's reaction to the performance vs Coventry.
For me, it is as likely Fergie was lying to the public to protect Ando from public criticism.
What Fergie says behind closed doors is bound to not always match what he claims in public.