I don't know about "10 times better"
But yes, he's a better all-around footballer. Haaland will dominate the Golden boots over the next decade, while Mbappe will be racking up all the Balon D'ors
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But yes, he's a better all-around footballer. Haaland will dominate the Golden boots over the next decade, while Mbappe will be racking up all the Balon D'ors
Haaland will probably do nothing of note at international level except break Norway's goal record.
This debate will be purely down to club performances as I'm sure Mbappe has already won the debate at nation level.
The same could be said about your post.
Haaland was way more the finished article as far as output and impact on winning matches goes, and he went right into the CL and showed it with a hattrick in his first match there for a team that was far inferior to the United team Ronaldo played for. Your disingenuous claim that he was only known for thrashing Honduras at that age is shocking. Also, Ronaldo was on the bench early on in the tournament.
And no, you didn’t mention trophy count, sloppy phrasing by me. I meant how you invoke the Euro final as an indicator, which is where the Greening point came from, which in no way was meant to say that Ronaldo’s contribution was like his, just that it’s a shallow measure.
Anyway, this is boring. For my part I’m done with this.
This is tragic mate.
I hate these threads. Why do I read it?
Did you just say... NATIONAL LEVEL?!
Why do you hate it? It’s the ultimate football fans thread style… Haaland or mbappe, black or white, ronaldo or messi, left or right.I hate these threads. Why do I read it?
YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE AND IF YOU GET IT WRONG YOURE A FAN BOI LUNATIC RACIST LIBTARD.
Mbappe is a great player but a difficult personality.
Haaland plays for Norway so the relative Portugal success can't be a factor IMO, that was a very good Portugal team. Similarly with the PL, Ferguson built yet another strong team that CR was a part of. That doesn't necessarily make him better than Haaland.
Haaland is 22.
Haaland has started off as the player that CR eventually became and so Haaland thus far has been much more prolific. CR had the all round game before he pared it back so it's difficult to directly compare them at a young age. But the differences you've pointed out seem to be largely a function of the teams they were playing in rather than a real assessment of their abilities and impact as players.
Yes he was. Just because the football he played with United between 2006 and 2009 wasn't the same squirrel chasing a nut trickery that Messi was about, doesn't make it any less mesmerising or any less genius.
Because it's one of the dumbest thing that Football fans can do. We have two different and genuinely talented young players, instead of appreciating both of them people decide to pick a side and try to make up asinine arguments against the other. It's one thing to have a preference and an other to constantly try to ridicule or mischaracterize players based on tribalism.
Fan Boi.
I’m guessing based on his username he’s a bitter Swede.
Did you not read what he said?
END OF DISCUSSION.
can’t abide that level of ignorance, you have an opinion, which is just that, why not accept someone else thinks differently without having to try shut someone else down…
they’re both amazing players with completely different styles. mbappe will likely win more balon d’ors due to his international success. Haaland more trophies and golden boots. Is one better than the other? Who cares
Haaland can surpass this at 22
You were slating "young Rooney" as raw only a page ago?
He was. He got far more stable later. Haaland followed it up by breaking records in terms of how fast he’s racking up goals in the CL.
You really do just grab points without thinking, don’t you?
"Slating"
Who the feck would argue against the fact that Rooney got more efficient in later years?Let’s add some more context to show how freakish Haaland has been: Rooney landed on 30 goals in 85 matches. Haaland now has 25 in 20. You want to keep up this foolishness?
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When you make the statement "better career so far" all that goes into the picture. Haaland has looked a superb talent and could have a sensational career but, so far, he hasn't accomplished much at all. Clearly, the same goes for Haaland vs Mbappe given that's the thread subject. That's why I find the "better career so far" completely disingenuous.
Leave aside track record and Haaland's trajectory looks more enticing going forward. His clubs and moves have been the correct ones to keep him on it. Mbappé? I always get the feeling he is not really challenging himself and at risk of stalling.
Ability-wise it's all ultimately down to uses and alternatives at your disposal. Haaland is somewhat more unique in today's football. Show me any top side and there's players they have that can "do Mbappe thingsTM" effectively while "their HaalandsTMx2" are nowhere close to reproducing the impact of the real thing.
Dunno, make up your mind. First you say Rooney wasn't all that until later, follow up praising Haaland for a CL debut hat-trick, and then say I make points without thinking?He was. He got far more stable later. Haaland followed it up by breaking records in terms of how fast he’s racking up goals in the CL.
You really do just grab points without thinking, don’t you?
"Slating"
Let’s add some more context to show how freakish Haaland has been: Rooney landed on 30 goals in 85 matches. Haaland now has 25 in 20. You want to keep up this foolishness?
Guy's lethal, that much has been established long ago.
Mbappe is the better player and Haaland the better goal scorer. I think that's a fair assessment.
Did I? Let’s review:
I said he got better later. Is that the same as saying he wasn’t all that when he was young?
Cut out your lying shit. I’m done with this, for real.
This season maybe, but Mpabbe has already scored around 230 goals at the age of 23. I know of course those goals won't be rated because he plays in the French league. However he's had masterclasses in the CL and for France as well.
Yes, he is definately not far off. It could well be that Mbappe will be regarded as the better goal scorer at the end of their careers. We'll see.
Nah. No way a genius in my book. Just because you have skill, it doesn't make you a genius. Maradona was a genius. Ronaldo is not and was not.
A lot of people are wondering if he's blown it.
Without derailing thread 2006/2007 Ronaldo was mesmerising. A different kind of genius or lvl if it.
Not a genius in the sense that he had creative ideas no one else saw. Maradona was that kind of genius while CR7 was (and Mbappe in a similar way is) doing a predictable thing extremely well. Mesmerising is a good word for that.
It's the fascination with many wingers, you just know what they will do and the beauty of their game is that still no one can stop them. Robben cutting inside from the right to score is another example of that.
Haaland doesn’t have that kind of skill, but he is unstoppable in a different way.
He's clearly derailing, only 9 goals in 6 games this season, and he had the most goal contribution in Europe way back in 2021. Past it.
This will never feel like a true debate or rivalry until they start playing each other regularly in the same league or at least in CL semis and Finals like Messi and Ronaldo did before Cristiano left for Madrid.
I'm not even convinced they will own the next decade the way some people think. Wouldn't be surprised to see other players challenge their status as best in the world. Before the two freaks came through that title never stayed with one or two players for too long.
I'm not even convinced they will own the next decade the way some people think. Wouldn't be surprised to see other players challenge their status as best in the world. Before the two freaks came through that title never stayed with one or two players for too long.
Hopefully Halaand moves to Madrid rather than Mbappe to Liverpool. Best would be if we had an even pool of players rather than the whole G/A player fetish we've seen the last decade (with two much better footballers at least)
I think City is more likely to win CL with Haaland compared with if they had bought Mbappe instead. I also think United would’ve benefited more from buying Haaland instead of Mbappe.
Most people agree Mbappe is a better player because we emphasises certain skills, but it isn’t all about that.
Ballon d'Or isn’t about certain skills in isolation, but also about impact and correlation to trophies. That’s why I think Haaland can win Ballon d'Or at the expense of Mbappe.
Most people agree Mbappe is a better player because we emphasises certain skills, but it isn’t all about that.
Ballon d'Or isn’t about certain skills in isolation, but also about impact and correlation to trophies. That’s why I think Haaland can win Ballon d'Or at the expense of Mbappe.
I'd agree at club level Haaland has a better platform. There's massive correlation with internationals though.
Mbappe has everything going for him there while Haaland's fortunes could go the same way as Lewandowski's if there are 2-3 comparable players with strong NTs.
The only guy not called Messi or Cristiano that won it since Kaká was Modric in a World Cup year.
Not sure what you meant at the end of this?
Anyway I didn't see genius. I saw a fast, dynamic and tricky winger who became a fast, dynamic and tricky all round attacking player.
I don't see it in Mbappe. Which doesn't mean that he's not a great player. And obviously I don't see it in Haaland. All these guys have their immense qualities but I wouldn't use the word 'genius' to describe any of them, that kind of suggests an outrageous level of natural ability (to me anyway).
With players like Maradona and Messi who I do consider to be geniuses, they were astonishing people with their skill when they were still small children.
You could argue that Messi v Ronaldo almost entirely came about because they were in the same league. Haaland v Mbappe therefore feels kind of forced, because they have nothing to do with each other for the most part.
True enough, if you look Vinicius for example, he’s already won a CL as a key player and could do well for Brazil. He’s the same age as Haaland and younger than Mbappé. Real Madrid seem to be trusting him a lot at a young age and he could always be in the late knockouts of the CL
I’m no fan of Haaland. Can’t stand the cnut. Also think his game is based hugely on physical gifts, albeit married to a great goal scoring instinct.
That said, the tenor and tone of your post is ludicrous and embarrassing. 0% talent is just a stupid comment. As is your shouty “end of discussion”. Reads like it was written by an angry 14 year old. And maybe it was, I don’t know.
Grow up
Not if he stays in France for any length of time. Only one player at a French club has ever won the Ballon D'Or. Well 2 if you count Messi but you really shouldn't.I don't know about "10 times better"
But yes, he's a better all-around footballer. Haaland will dominate the Golden boots over the next decade, while Mbappe will be racking up all the Balon D'ors
Mbappe has to win the CL to have a shot and even if he does (unlikely because none of the front 3 defend or press and he presses the least according to the stats) he has the problem of Neymar and Messi also getting votes.
International success can help him too, but that is very difficult to come by, especially as he's already won a WC. Very tough for France to win another tournament (ust going by history).