touchy, you seem to be a hargreaves fanboy....
Hargreaves out for the start of the season....
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Well by all accounts his knees haven't been the problem for a while now.
Weird last time we won the UCL in 1999, Blomqvist was injured the following season and unseen for 3 years before leaving.
In 2008 we won the UCL and poor Hargo seems to be going down a similar path.
I blame our success really. We shouldn't be winning the UCL.
In 2008 we won the UCL and poor Hargo seems to be going down a similar path.
I blame our success really. We shouldn't be winning the UCL.
To be fair, you can see why people are upset. It's hardly Hargreave's fault, and in a way our own policies come into it, as other clubs would have brought someone else in by now, but we've sort of wasted three season (including this one) when we could have used having another quality midfielder around. Who knows what sort of difference that one player could have made. It's hard on Hargo, but that' the way it is.
Yeah, let's get rid of him after spending millions on him and probably millions on medical fees for him, instead of waiting until the end of the season to see what happens. Let's get rid of him now.
OK. Not well up on my docs.
If the club can be convinced that his knees have recovered i'd hope that he gets some sort of 'pay as you play' 1 year deal similar to Michael Owens current deal, as these muscle strains were inevitable given his length of time out.
Its a tough call but with the amount of patience and money we've spent on him i hope we dont offload him until we're 100% sure that theres no way he'll make a long term return to playing at the highest level.
Its a tough call but with the amount of patience and money we've spent on him i hope we dont offload him until we're 100% sure that theres no way he'll make a long term return to playing at the highest level.
Game over now caftards!
A clean tear of the hamstring on top of everything else. I'd say he'll be out until next season!!!
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A clean tear of the hamstring on top of everything else. I'd say he'll be out until next season!!!
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I'm not sure why people are too worried about the wages and medical bills. I am sure we have insurance that covers these sort of events.
The biggest worry is the extra spot that Hargreaves would take up in the 25 man squad. Can he be trusted to play a significant part next season to warrant us giving him a new contract and using up a slot in the 25 man list.
On current events I'd say no sadly
The biggest worry is the extra spot that Hargreaves would take up in the 25 man squad. Can he be trusted to play a significant part next season to warrant us giving him a new contract and using up a slot in the 25 man list.
On current events I'd say no sadly
I agree, I feel also like we lost a really fantastic midfielder who knows how certain events would have gone with him around. Especially matches (or match) in which a fantastic Fletcher was missing.
Still, that's all smoke and mirrors really.
pay as you play would be a good idea if there wasn't that 25-man rule mate.
i think we cannot afford to have an injury prone players on our books.
sadly.
Nah it's not that. Owen Hargreaves is a name equivalent to Jesper Blomqvist. The rhythm is the same and the meaning is probably not that far off. And they also both have curly hair.
That sums up how I feel, it's a real shame the way things have went for Hargreaves but the club has done everything it possibly can to help him.
Unfortunately not for injuries sustained from playing football presumably because the cost of such a policy is prohibitive.
This is from the bond issue prospectus:
So essentially we mitigate the risk of player injuries, like every other club, by having a large enough squad of first team players to cope with those absentees.
It's therefore clear from the above information that the acquisition of Owen Hargreaves has been a disastrous investment unfortunately.
I'm so gutted for him. I always had belief that he would return to fitness someday, no matter how long it took. But this is crossing my limit of patience.
It's probably best if Hargreaves has a change of scenery. You never know, it may bring a change of luck for him. For as long as he's on our books there will be an unrealistic amount of expectation put on him regarding a comeback. It's such a shame because unfortunately he's taking up a first team place that could be given to other young players who are fit.
It's probably best if Hargreaves has a change of scenery. You never know, it may bring a change of luck for him. For as long as he's on our books there will be an unrealistic amount of expectation put on him regarding a comeback. It's such a shame because unfortunately he's taking up a first team place that could be given to other young players who are fit.
Then some of the blame lies with the club for going after a player who had a track record of being a bit of a sick note, especially when you splash out a so much for the transfer fee and wages.
I still can't understand why on earth we pulled the plug on the Senna deal, he would have cost about a quarter of what we paid for Hargreaves.
As sad as it all may be it will take a fairly miraculous recovery for Hargreaves to get a new contract. Honestly I don’t think they will and I don’t think they should award one
Ronny Johnson and Quinton Fortune were both released due to being unreliable due to injuries. And those 2 actually played from time to time.
Ronny Johnson and Quinton Fortune were both released due to being unreliable due to injuries. And those 2 actually played from time to time.
How come they've only just noticed it was a complete tear?
Owen was operated on straightaway for his complete tear wasn't he.
He'll be back. I have the feeling.
As daft as it may sound now i'm not actually bothered about seeing him play for us again, yes it would be great but for me just giving him chance to get fit and maybe find a couple of years football elsewhere America maybe would please me.
It may sound silly but for some reason with OH I feel genuinely sorry for him and every time I hear about a setback i'm gutted to hear it. He's only ever wanted to get on the pitch for the club and maybe he's done himself no favours with carrying on at times with an injury but wouldn't you do the same? If he can be brought to a level of fitness that allows him to play at any level then i'll be happy to see him leave when his contracts up to go and play some football before he gets too old. If he has to retire then as I am every time I hear about an injury i'll be genuinely gutted for the guy.
It may sound silly but for some reason with OH I feel genuinely sorry for him and every time I hear about a setback i'm gutted to hear it. He's only ever wanted to get on the pitch for the club and maybe he's done himself no favours with carrying on at times with an injury but wouldn't you do the same? If he can be brought to a level of fitness that allows him to play at any level then i'll be happy to see him leave when his contracts up to go and play some football before he gets too old. If he has to retire then as I am every time I hear about an injury i'll be genuinely gutted for the guy.
We can't count on him being fit next year, so what we need to do is do the transfers and team building next year as if he wasn't here. Then at the end of that if we have a spare spot in the 25 man squad limit give him a pay as you play deal. If we don't, well we'll feel sorry for him but we can't keep carrying what is near pointless deadweight.
he'll be put on the shelf for the rest of the season, let go in the summer, stay gone a year and train on his own, and try to make a comeback with someone else...or maybe not.
Hope he comes back and shows what he is all about in a couple of weeks.
Could be vital and I'd only lay him off if he doesn't start again until next summer, then I'll be thinking about a replacement.
Could be vital and I'd only lay him off if he doesn't start again until next summer, then I'll be thinking about a replacement.
It is unfortunate, we must continue to try and give him our best support as a club. Good luck.
Ridiculous statement.
What injuries has Hargreaves sustained over the course of his career where someone else would be back after 2 weeks?
Broken leg? Torn groin? Torn hamstring? Destroyed knees? Yea, those all seem like injuries more in your head to me. There is a very serious difference between a sprain, which is a week to two weeks if you're not a giant vagina to a tear or a break.
Statistically speaking every team would have a sicknote. For us, it used to be Saha but now just happens to be Hargreaves.
Hargreaves will NOT be back in 2 - 3 weeks. It can't be?!!!!Honestly, my response is: No f*#kin' shit? As if we didn't know this a year and a half ago.
Can we please throw more of the transfer funds at a player with a chronic knee injury please. United just isn't the same without a big price-tag player laying around collecting money for nothing.
i didn't see that posted so here you go guys
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You seem to have somewhat missed the point.
The Daily Star are absolute Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime
The last laugh? Idiots.
It's difficult to imagine SAF will continue to have faith in OH's ability to stay fit. Nothing suggests he can last even 90 minutes, never mind a full season and at some point you have to cut your losses and move forward.
I've noticed that too. Yeah Hargo was so close to screw United over. His cunning plan of getting a career-threatening injury which prevented him from playing for MU nearly worked.
We knew once he had the operations on his knee's it was going to be a long haul back, and whilst I do think he's possibly ready physically to play (give or take his current injury). I think the issue now is more about him mentally, Fergie alluded to this last year, and whilst we don't know the full extent of this current injury, first it was a strain and then a tear and now no one seems to know, perhaps it's in his head that's the biggest problem.
Had he not got injured against Wolves the next match he would have played would have been the Carling Cup more than likely, and a couple of reserve games, and possibly be challenging to play for this Monday or next weeks game. However, we can't even afford him an easy run out in the cup, with the game against the Dippers were he to be fit.
All this talk in the press of Fergie quesitoning his long term chances seems odd, considering he was confident enough to play him against Wolves and we all know that the hamstring injury was unlucky rather than a consequence of the previous injuries. I have suggested this before, but I'd send Hargreaves off to say Preston once fit again to get him playing in some competative matches at a level below us, and see how he goes. If he can put a run of games in, and perhaps recapture some form then lets see about next season, if not wave goodbye with a big thank you for 2008.
Had he not got injured against Wolves the next match he would have played would have been the Carling Cup more than likely, and a couple of reserve games, and possibly be challenging to play for this Monday or next weeks game. However, we can't even afford him an easy run out in the cup, with the game against the Dippers were he to be fit.
All this talk in the press of Fergie quesitoning his long term chances seems odd, considering he was confident enough to play him against Wolves and we all know that the hamstring injury was unlucky rather than a consequence of the previous injuries. I have suggested this before, but I'd send Hargreaves off to say Preston once fit again to get him playing in some competative matches at a level below us, and see how he goes. If he can put a run of games in, and perhaps recapture some form then lets see about next season, if not wave goodbye with a big thank you for 2008.
Just taking into account his transfer fee he's already cost the club half a million per game. With wages and everything I think that figure exceeds a million pounds per game.
Talk about a shitty deal.
Any transfer is a gamble! Imagine say Ronaldo in his second or third game for Real being involved in a tackle that ended his career there and then. £41.5m per game... Yes, we knew he had some problems, but they were obviously problems that we (the club) could manage. I think back to the mid to late 80's when we paid something like £80,000 back to an insurance company to let us play Mark Higgins. Looking at inflation and goodness knows what else how much we'd be paying to do something similar for a player like that now. It's all part and parcel.Just taking into account his transfer fee he's already cost the club half a million per game. With wages and everything I think that figure exceeds a million pounds per game.
Talk about a shitty deal.
Shitty deal it might be, but without him.. Would we have won PL and CL in 2008? Those CL money in itself would pay Hargreaves transfer.
I'd agree, he scored a crucial goal against Arsenal and had some very good games, also on the right, so we were allowed to give Ronaldo a free role. So I dont regret signing him, eventhough he's been out for most of the time
Sure we would have.
I know it's just conjecture but we won the league and reached the finals of the CL the next year without him. So why not? Far too much emphasis is put on his participation the year we won the double. Hargreaves was a very good player for us, but he wasn't the reason we won the PL or the CL. It was a team effort and we had one of the best squads that year and Hargreaves was a part of it.
There is simply no way you can equate that win with his transfer. No matter which way you look at, we've taken a massive loss with the Hargreaves transfer. It's not his fault, but that' just the way it turned out. It will be remembered as a disastrous transfer for us.