It's absolutely not 99%.
Harry Kane MBE | Performances
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You speak my mind man. Exactly what I think of this transfer.
That fact doesnt take any of his quality down.
Wasn’t Sanchez always considered a good professional up until his move to United? What about Mane struggling at Bayern? My point isn’t to say that this will happen with Kane. He’s moving within the PL and should naturally carry on his Spurs form. But stanger things have happened in football. Spurs is a fairly big club but it’s not even remotely close to the level of pressure and expectation as Manchester United. That can cause many good players to wither or fail to adapt. I’m just providing the flip side.
On RVP we did get him for a very reasonable fee as well not the obscene figure Spurs will want for a 29 year old Kane when our team has other issues and a much bigger gap to bridge than it did when SAF was here. And he too declined rapidly from 29 to 30/31 without the same league so theres no rule that elite strikers can’t fall off.
The point about others being in their prime is a very fair one. I still feel that regardless it will take us a few years to get where we want to.
Having said all of the above I’m not against us signing Kane - he’s a fine CF. But I am wary of it turning sour due to various factors.
The biggest difference between them is RVP was at his absolute peak while I don't think Kane is. Kane is still a top player but not as much of a sure bet as RVP.
Also to be fair to RVP, he seriously battled with injuries and was never actually the main star for Arsenal until his last two seasons, unlike Kane who's be top dog at Spurs for 8 seasons.
It might seem unfair but its really not normal to be that level of star and have no trophy. Most other top players who weren't in the best teams in their league, still managed to win something. There's also the country option and Son managed to do this with South Korea.
I don't think it should be ignored that Kane plays a big part in Spurs' bottling and is definitely a question mark around him.
I think you can critique it though. Lesser clubs/clubs having worse seasons than Spurs have won trophies in the time that Kane has been at Spurs and everytime they’ve been in a final he has flopped (for England too).
Right so if you're talking about stretching players in that sense, Kane brings the elite level to the game.
This extremely injury prone player has played the second most minutes in the top 5 leagues this season, with 3985 minutes.
No prize for guessing who's no 1.
No prize for guessing who's no 1.
In an era where we tend to measure the success of a player's career based on the number of trophies they've won or which big clubs they've played for etc. for Harry Kane to score at the rate that he has done both at domestic and international level is nothing short of stunning. Kane is not just a goal scorer but also a player with great vision and passing ability. I know the majority of football fans will say he's long-overdue a move to either Man City or United, and it'll probably be his last chance to change clubs before he turns 30.
But a small part of me still hopes that he puts the 'no trophies' label to one side and goes down the rare one-club-career route, and in turn, eventually break Alan Shearer's PL goals record which looks more inevitable with each passing season. I would love it if he did this while playing for Spurs. The fact that Kane has played on some of the biggest of stages, the CL final, the Euros final, winning the World Cup 2018 Golden Boot, breaking his own club's all-time goalscoring record etc; those career highs seem to have been harshly forgotten about and probably deserve much more credit. For me, it makes up a lot for the zero-trophies bullshit. Not a lot of footballers can say they've achieved what he's achieved or played in some of the same big games that he's played. Most players in the world would die for the career that Harry Kane has had. I certainly would happily settle for it.
A moment to savour. Well done Harry Kane you can now go on and put a lot of daylight between your record and the rest.
But a small part of me still hopes that he puts the 'no trophies' label to one side and goes down the rare one-club-career route, and in turn, eventually break Alan Shearer's PL goals record which looks more inevitable with each passing season. I would love it if he did this while playing for Spurs. The fact that Kane has played on some of the biggest of stages, the CL final, the Euros final, winning the World Cup 2018 Golden Boot, breaking his own club's all-time goalscoring record etc; those career highs seem to have been harshly forgotten about and probably deserve much more credit. For me, it makes up a lot for the zero-trophies bullshit. Not a lot of footballers can say they've achieved what he's achieved or played in some of the same big games that he's played. Most players in the world would die for the career that Harry Kane has had. I certainly would happily settle for it.
A moment to savour. Well done Harry Kane you can now go on and put a lot of daylight between your record and the rest.
It's not ridiculous. He never scores in big games (for Spurs OR England) where trophies are at stake. And Spurs are a club in London with a much bigger stadium, financial outlay, fanbase and history than Nottingham Forest, so you trying to draw an equivalency there is in fact what is ridiculous.
Does for me.
Osimhen seems more like the kind of striker ETH typically likes. He is going to remake this team much more.
Not clutch, not a winner. I'm not being anything. Take the MBE specs off and open your eyes.
Your argument is ridiculous which is why people are dismissing you. You are holding the fact he plays for a certain team against him and down playing his record which is incredible DESPITE the fact he plays for that team. Which makes his record all the more impressive.
He’s such a fecking cheat. Always diving. And that bit where he crawled onto the pitch to waste time was just embarrassing. Funny the way this all gets completely brushed under the carpet while swarthy “forrin” types like Bruno are absolutely crucified.
The fact that you are adding caveats shows you are wrong. He also won in Holland. It is very very hard in the modern era to be at a big club (which virtually all top players are nowadays) and get to that age and have absolutely nothing to show for it team trophy wise.
It's not ridiculous at all. And many other people feel the same about him.
Kane is amazing, but are these records even impressive anymore? Loads of these goals are scored in pointless friendlies and qualifiers/nations league/friendlies against smaller countries that mean nothing. I don't want to take anything out of his record, since it's the same with may other players that are setting records on international stage, but it's not that impressive tbf.
Strange take.
You can talk about his amtition or lack of it but as I said the fact he stayed at Spurs doesnt make him a worse player.
3 goals in 13 finals/seni-finals. You can critique that.
I think the international game has changed to such a degree (in the sense that you describe) that every single nation's record scorer is going to be someone that is playing today, or who retired very recently. Greatly expanded volume of qualifying matches against a lot of poor teams. Also, these matches fit into the 'competitive' category when many of them are anything but.
Again. He plays for Spurs AND England. I've seen him play in a number of big finals and semis for both. He rarely delivers in those massive, gotta have it spots. This is not an opinion that is unique to me, much as his defenders would like to claim that it is.
Uh huh.
Kane has beaten the English record by playing less games than the next top scorer Rooney - and it's a lot less games (120 vs 81). Even Bobby Charlton played 106 times and scored 49 goals. If Kane plays for another 40 games to match what Rooney played in his career it's likely he will have obliterated Rooney's record. Anybody trying to suggest this is not impressive is either an idiot or has such an agenda against Kane that it's embarrassing.
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He doesn't fit into that category.
Glaston would have loved this. (Or are you Glaston? Be honest now)Uh huh.
Is anything I said there wrong?
Totally fair in what you are saying here. Obviously Spurs are not City and his chances are lower with Tottenham than they would be with oil money. But they're not Bournemouth either. Spurs (and England) have been close several times and they've looked to him (as you do with the talisman of the team) and he hasn't delivered.
No.
I wasn't having a go. I was just genuinely missing Glaston. He would have loved Kanes performance last night. I also thought he was magnificent.
I actually think Kane should stay at Spurs. Partly because its very rare to see loyalty these days and its a much underrated virtue. I also think a move could very well spoil an exemplary career.
PS. Greaves' career is comparable.
I hope he does stay for sure. No idea if he will though, looking unlikely.
Not really buying your dismissal of Sanchez and Hazard here TBH
Happy birthday to your Dad, here's to many more years.
If Harry Kane had spent his entire career at Southampton racking up goals I might question his ambition but I wouldn't question his ability to inspire his team to win things. It's the way people are treating Spurs as if they are in fact Southampton that is funny to me. Not to mention completely ignoring the fact that he's had chances with England as well.I would have included Stan but he did win something
You could akso add Matt Le Tissier though I guess Southampton might be a stretch, but they have won the FA Cup in my lifetime
Judging players and their mentalities on team trophies 
Yeah, football powerhouse. When was the last time they won anything?
At least they reached semi finals, finals in this generation, which probably didn't happen after 1966 (except maybe one finals in Euro some 30 years ago).
Or aware that only one of those players spent his whole England career in the #9 taking all penalties on top?Uh huh.
Number of games played in his last 8 seasons for Spurs (not counting current one):
14/15 : 34
15/16 : 38
16/17 : 30
17/18 : 37
18/19 : 28
19/20 : 29
20/21 : 35
21/22 : 37
So that's an average of 33 matches per season and he can easily play 33 this season. He has 28 so far. Not bad, seems to be always available. Imagine him playing 30 matches instead of Weghorst.
14/15 : 34
15/16 : 38
16/17 : 30
17/18 : 37
18/19 : 28
19/20 : 29
20/21 : 35
21/22 : 37
So that's an average of 33 matches per season and he can easily play 33 this season. He has 28 so far. Not bad, seems to be always available. Imagine him playing 30 matches instead of Weghorst.
Penalties don't count in your world?
You miss the first part? And, state the whole facts, not just the bits that benefit you.
Ok so it's always the team or the club and not him failing to show up when the team looks to him in big spots? Got it.
That's what happens in sport. Even in team sports. It's why in the eyes of many Brady is better than Rodgers, Jordan is better than Lebron etc. etc.Judging players and their mentalities on team trophies
The 'bu-but what about the team?!?!' argument just doesn't stand up to posterity, even though it appears logical at the time.