Has political correctness actually gone mad?

[2 man midfield]

I don’t get how sexuality is sexual. That sounds like a silly sentence but they’re not really linked. Men liking men and girls liking girls isn’t a non-child friendly fact, so why do the parents feel they need to break it to them when they’re old enough?

It sort of goes back to the stereotype of gays as being sexual deviants who are all about sex. When in reality if you let the kids find out for themselves they’d see they’re just 2 people who do everything that straight couples do together.

 

[The Firestarter]

Might as well name it Save the frogs bill.

 

[evil_geko]

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[Halftrack]

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Imagine believing this

 

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https://thehill.com/changing-americ...committee-in-florida-passes-dont-say-gay-bill

This bill is about defending the most awesome responsibility a person can have: being a parent. That job can only be given to you by above.

 

[Anustart89]

This bill is about defending the most awesome responsibility a person can have: being a parent. That job can only be given to you by above.

Silly fools don’t know you can get pregnant from the cowgirl position.

 

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Silly fools don’t know you can get pregnant from the cowgirl position.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

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She seems a bit cray cray.

 

[Charlie Foley]

Some people seem unhappy with Whoopi Goldberg being suspended for saying the Holocaust wasn’t about race because it was white people vs. white people. Taking aside her idiotic position, I’m unsure what a short suspension and then bringing her back in a couple of weeks does: based on her appearance on Colbert she hasn’t really learned much about it, just “i don’t want to hear about it and I won’t bring it up.”

frankly the punishment doesn’t go far enough, the whole show The View should be cancelled permanently. Not because of this but because it’s shit. What absolute ass it is

 

[fergieisold]

Some people seem unhappy with Whoopi Goldberg being suspended for saying the Holocaust wasn’t about race because it was white people vs. white people. Taking aside her idiotic position, I’m unsure what a short suspension and then bringing her back in a couple of weeks does: based on her appearance on Colbert she hasn’t really learned much about it, just “i don’t want to hear about it and I won’t bring it up.”

frankly the punishment doesn’t go far enough, the whole show The View should be cancelled permanently. Not because of this but because it’s shit. What absolute ass it is

I don’t really understand why she’s been suspended. She’s said a dumb load of shit but surely she isn’t breaking any laws expressing her dumb opinion?

 

[flameinthesun]

Some people seem unhappy with Whoopi Goldberg being suspended for saying the Holocaust wasn’t about race because it was white people vs. white people. Taking aside her idiotic position, I’m unsure what a short suspension and then bringing her back in a couple of weeks does: based on her appearance on Colbert she hasn’t really learned much about it, just “i don’t want to hear about it and I won’t bring it up.”

frankly the punishment doesn’t go far enough, the whole show The View should be cancelled permanently. Not because of this but because it’s shit. What absolute ass it is

Didn't she come out the next day apologising saying she was wrong and that it was due to ignorance on the topic? Basically changing her opinion, unless i'm wrong.

 

[Charlie Foley]

Didn't she come out the next day apologising saying she was wrong and that it was due to ignorance on the topic? Basically changing her opinion, unless i'm wrong.

Oh, apologies, I think you’re right and I should have included that info however... I saw that Colbert clip on Twitter I’ll try to find now which I’m told was post her apology and seems a lot like she’s standing by what she said, it wasn’t about race “because the nazis lied” and people should “stop messaging her about it”

 

[2 man midfield]

What’s removing her going to do? For her personally I mean. They should be giving her a textbook, not sacking her.

Also unsure why people would want her removed. As if they watch it anyway.

 

[Fearless]

Didn't she come out the next day apologising saying she was wrong and that it was due to ignorance on the topic? Basically changing her opinion, unless i'm wrong.

The inference is that only white people can be racist, which then infers that Hitler wasn't racist because the Jews weren't black.

 

[VorZakone]

What is the term when an ethnicity considers themselves superior to another ethnicity, even if they have the same skin color? For example, when a German thinks he's superior to a Frenchman? Or superior to a Dutchman?

I'm not gonna lie, I can see what Whoopi means from her perspective. And I think there's a valid discussion to have on how we as a society want to define commonly used terms.

How do we want to define racism? The Nazis considered the Jews an inferior race but is that different from ethnicity in their context?

Me personally, I've always understood racism in the context of skin color.

 

[Ødegaard]

What is the term when an ethnicity considers themselves superior to another ethnicity, even if they have the same skin color? For example, when a German thinks he's superior to a Frenchman? Or superior to a Dutchman?

I'm not gonna lie, I can see what Whoopi means from her perspective. And I think there's a valid discussion to have on how we as a society want to define commonly used terms.

How do we want to define racism? The Nazis considered the Jews an inferior race but is that different from ethnicity in their context?

Me personally, I've always understood racism in the context of skin color.

It's just racism.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

The inference is that only white people can be racist, which then infers that Hitler wasn't racist because the Jews weren't black.

To be fair, I think she was stating that it wasn’t racism as Jews and Germans are both white. I’ve heard that as a view from someone too. Jewish is a religion and a race. The nuance between the two is enough to trip people up.

Not defending her. But I do kind of see her point. It’s an easy and lazy judgement to say that Hitler and the Nazis were universally bigoted facist white master race supremacists.

The theme of what she was stating was solid. She just has no concept or understanding of the facts at hand. On the one hand I’d say she shouldn’t be this naive as she presents a massive tv show. On the other…. She presents a massive tv show and didn’t exactly sit an exam.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

What is the term when an ethnicity considers themselves superior to another ethnicity, even if they have the same skin color? For example, when a German thinks he's superior to a Frenchman? Or superior to a Dutchman?

I'm not gonna lie, I can see what Whoopi means from her perspective. And I think there's a valid discussion to have on how we as a society want to define commonly used terms.

How do we want to define racism? The Nazis considered the Jews an inferior race but is that different from ethnicity in their context?

Me personally, I've always understood racism in the context of skin color.

It's just racism.

In the modern colloquial, racism is probably fine. But technically, it's something more like ethno-tribalism since it's based on ethnicity rather than "race" such as if Han Chinese look down on non-Han Chinese or Mexicans discriminate against Central Americans or how some English and French view each other.

 

[moses]

I think we have a way to go before we are too politically correct.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40797723.html

 

[2cents]

Whoopi’s confusion is understandable IMO. The modern West has tended to impose distinct categories of identity - “religion”, “race”, “nationality”, etc. - on everyone, categories which would have different implications or make little sense in terms of pre-modern identities (and in the specifically American context it seems to me that rather clear-cut racial distinctions tend to be foremost in peoples’ minds, for obvious enough reasons). Given that Jewish identity derives so much from a rich pre-modern Jewish heritage, with all its complexities, it tends to defy this modern categorization, leading in turn to misunderstandings such as this one.

In any case she apologized and that should be the end of it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I think we have a way to go before we are too politically correct.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40797723.html

It’s crazy how racist we are in Ireland. I think you need to step away from it to realise how bad we are. After 12 years in London the casual racism you notice in Ireland is astonishing. Which is even more depressing when it’s combined with a big increase in ethnic diversity over that same period of time.

Not that the link above is casual racism.

Or anything to do with political correctness?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Whoopi’s confusion is understandable IMO. The modern West has tended to impose distinct categories of identity - “religion”, “race”, “nationality”, etc. - on everyone, categories which would have different implications or make little sense in terms of pre-modern identities (and in the specifically American context it seems to me that rather clear-cut racial distinctions tend to be foremost in peoples’ minds, for obvious enough reasons). Given that Jewish identity derives so much from a rich pre-modern Jewish heritage, with all its complexities, it tends to defy this modern categorization, leading in turn to misunderstandings such as this one.

In any case she apologized and that should be the end of it.

Yeah, it’s an understandable ‘mistake’. It’s also a bit weird that a lot of the shit she is getting comes from people who spend a lot of their time lecturing others on intersectionality.

Having said that didn’t the Nazis persecute POC as well as Jews? History not my strong point!

 

[moses]

It’s crazy how racist we are in Ireland. I think you need to step away from it to realise how bad we are. After 12 years in London the casual racism you notice in Ireland is astonishing. Which is even more depressing when it’s combined with a big increase in ethnic diversity over that same period of time.

Not that the link above is casual racism.

Or anything to do with political correctness?

I think political correctness is to do with inclusivity on the ground, at the internet level it's just something to fight about?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I think political correctness is to do with inclusivity on the ground, at the internet level it's just something to fight about?

You know me too well…

 

[moses]

You know me too well…

Ah you're not exactly an outlier

 

[UweBein]

...Me personally, I've always understood racism in the context of skin color.

What?!
Racism for the Nazis had a much broader meaning. They also considered the Russians inferior despite them some of them being blonde.
I think the general racism definition just depends on there being a group in power and low-power group. The groups can be defined by skin colour, but also by hair colour, head shape etc.. But I think there does not need to be an actual difference between the groups. It is sufficient if one of the groups discriminates against the other even based on a supposed difference... like lower IQ.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

What?!
Racism for the Nazis had a much broader meaning. They also considered the Russians inferior despite them some of them being blonde.
I think the general racism definition just depends on there being a group in power and low-power group. The groups can be defined by skin colour, but also by hair colour, head shape etc.. But I think there does not need to be an actual difference between the groups. It is sufficient if one of the groups discriminates against the other even based on a supposed difference... like lower IQ.

Or sexuality? Is homophobia also racism now?

 

[berbatrick]

Posted this in the libs of tik tok thread as a joke, but it fits into this discussion about race and how people get categorised:

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[entropy]

What?!
Racism for the Nazis had a much broader meaning. They also considered the Russians inferior despite them some of them being blonde.
I think the general racism definition just depends on there being a group in power and low-power group. The groups can be defined by skin colour, but also by hair colour, head shape etc.. But I think there does not need to be an actual difference between the groups. It is sufficient if one of the groups discriminates against the other even based on a supposed difference... like lower IQ.

they were also obsessed with the american model and tried very hard to emulate it.

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[UweBein]

Or sexuality? Is homophobia also racism now?

Me thinks yes... if for example Argentinians were thinking to kill all Uruguayans because of them being supposedly gay.
But it probably would not be racism if the Argentinians just hated the gay Argentinians, even wanting to kill them.

So, there need to be an alleged biological marker that distinguishes both groups clearly.

But, the Nazis applied there race theory even to German people ... for example gays or people with disabilities... so even in the case of Argentinian gays we might speak of racism ( in race being dependent on certain biological markers).

 

[moses]

Me thinks yes... if for example Argentinians were thinking to kill all Uruguayans because of them being supposedly gay.
But it probably would not be racism if the Argentinians just hated the gay Argentinians, even wanting to kill them.

So, there need to be an alleged biological marker that distinguishes both groups clearly.

But, the Nazis applied there race theory even to German people ... for example gays or people with disabilities... so even in the case of Argentinian gays we might speak of racism ( in race being dependent on certain biological markers).

Yeah they embraced a lot of post Darwin 'thinking; in this regard.

I can't recommend this enough

https://thenewpress.com/books/exterminate-all-brutes

 

[moses]

they were also obsessed with the american model and tried very hard to emulate it.

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Yeah, there were very few ideological differences between segregationist US and Imperialist Britain and the Nazis whe it came to race. It was only afterward depicted as an ideological war by the winners.

 

[pablo__p]

What is the term when an ethnicity considers themselves superior to another ethnicity, even if they have the same skin color? For example, when a German thinks he's superior to a Frenchman? Or superior to a Dutchman?

I'm not gonna lie, I can see what Whoopi means from her perspective. And I think there's a valid discussion to have on how we as a society want to define commonly used terms.

How do we want to define racism? The Nazis considered the Jews an inferior race but is that different from ethnicity in their context?

Me personally, I've always understood racism in the context of skin color.

Chauvinism.

 

[moses]

Me personally, I've always understood racism in the context of skin color.

The Irish, the Jews, Gypsies, and the Iberians were looked down up on by the Anglo Teutonic Europeans as inferior races.

 

[VorZakone]

The Irish, the Jews, Gypsies, and the Iberians were looked down up on by the Anglo Teutonic Europeans as inferior races.

Right. But in their world, did race mean the same as ethnicity?

 

[moses]

Right. But in their world, did race mean the same as ethnicity?

We're all from the same world dude.

But I think so, I'm not sure of the question. I think they saw Anglo Germans as the superior, Africans as inferior and everyone in-between as varying degrees inferior to the anglo Teutons

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[VorZakone]

We're all from the same world dude.

Let me rephrase it: was their definition of race, in those days, the same definition we'd use now for ethnicity?

 

[moses]

Let me rephrase it: was their definition of race, in those days, the same definition we'd use now for ethnicity?

edited above

 

[UweBein]

Let me rephrase it: was their definition of race, in those days, the same definition we'd use now for ethnicity?

Sort of... but then again not.
The Nazis for examples considered Germans to be 45% of Nordic race (the number might be wrong, but they did have one.) They also differentiated between North Germans and South Germans, assuming that the Northerners were more Nordic. The Nordic race was supposed to be the top of the Aryan ladder. So there were other races also considered as Aryan... just not as good as Nordics.

But, it was not a stringent theory... and it probably clashed with every day reality where ethnicity was probably the main race marker... except for Jewish and disabled people.

There were Jews who looked 100% Nordic and they still got gassed. Also some were condidered Jewish because they had one jewish anscestor they were not even aware of.
I think many Jews just viewed themselves just as non-Christian Germans. They eyetest would not have revealed who was jewish and who was not.

 

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