I am glad you find "hilarious" what happened in Copa America!
However, please don't say that to Messi. He might not be happy!
Has Ronaldo just settled current generation's GOAT debate?
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
However, please don't say that to Messi. He might not be happy!
Wow people downplaying Ronaldos contribution in Euros to fit their pro-Messi agenda is funny as hell. Leets think about what he did.
Hungary-2 goals- if he doesnt get them Portugal go out in the groups.
Croatia- assist in extra time for 1-0 win
Wales- goal and an assist in 2-0 win.
He then didnt get to influence the final because Payet took it on himself to take him out.
I know Messi is a great player, but him not winning anything with Argentina and retiring from international football will be a blight in his career. Whilst people will see Ronaldos career as complete as he has won everything in the game, including captaining his country to a major competition.
Hungary-2 goals- if he doesnt get them Portugal go out in the groups.
Croatia- assist in extra time for 1-0 win
Wales- goal and an assist in 2-0 win.
He then didnt get to influence the final because Payet took it on himself to take him out.
I know Messi is a great player, but him not winning anything with Argentina and retiring from international football will be a blight in his career. Whilst people will see Ronaldos career as complete as he has won everything in the game, including captaining his country to a major competition.
Pro-messi 'agenda' on a United forum!
I think some people have migrated from blue-moon recently.
I think some people have migrated from blue-moon recently.
Nice. Lets take the one throwaway line in the post and comment on that. Disregarding the facts of the post. The agenda of some posters in this thread is clear. Clearly a Barca fanPro-messi 'agenda' on a United forum!
I think some people have migrated from blue-moon recently.
Well said, but there's no use, the Messi fans will never yield an inch.
Do you actually believe that last bit?
I or anyone else don't need any agenda to like Messi. Next time understand the meaning of the word 'agenda' before typing anymore garbage.Nice. Lets take the one throwaway line in the post and comment on that. Disregarding the facts of the post. The agenda of some posters in this thread is clear. Clearly a Barca fan
Ronaldo has far greater 'natural' physical gifts than those other players. How he prepares for games and the work he puts in off the park is exemplary, but plenty of players could do that and never be as fast as he is, or have that incredible leap that makes him such a threat in the air.
Nah it rather looks some have migrated from some bloody Barca forums.Pro-messi 'agenda' on a United forum!
I think some people have migrated from blue-moon recently.
Obsession here with both players are over the top but as annoying as both side's over the top posts are, Ronaldo at least hugely contributed to United 's success.
Football has this very wierd differentiation between 'best' and 'greatest'.
'Best' player is fairly self explanatory, in that it is simply who is the most gifted and effective player usually. 'Greatness', however, is made up largely by 'moments' in a career.
Ronaldo (Brasilian) is the best player ever for me, or at least alongside Messi. He is far from being he greatest though, I think perhaps he needed more moments at club level.
Around the time when Zidane was playing, in my view, he never touched Rivaldo's Barcelona level, but his career, at least in the record books, is largely summarised by two headers and a magical swing of his left foot at Hampden.
In 2002, Ronaldo won the Balon D'or. He missed around 6 months of the season I believe, but returned to go to the World Cup, which his team won, and he got the Golden Boot, including scoring in the final. I believe Michel Ballack was second that year. His season involved dragging Bayer Leverkusen, who were fairly unfancied, to the CL final, which they lost to Real Madrid, and then dragging Germany to the World Cup final, although he was suspended for the match itself.
The record books don't recognise his season, which was amongst the best midfield seasons I've seen. The key, crowning moments were missing.
Griezmann has had a similar year. Ronaldo will probably win the Balon D'or this year. He won the CL and Euros. Griezmann came within a whisker of winning both. However, his penalty hit the bar in Lisbon, and he missed a sitter in Paris. Had those moments been different, the story could be very different.
I don't really care for the 'greatest' player. What I do know is that I have very little doubt that Lionel Messi is the best.
'Best' player is fairly self explanatory, in that it is simply who is the most gifted and effective player usually. 'Greatness', however, is made up largely by 'moments' in a career.
Ronaldo (Brasilian) is the best player ever for me, or at least alongside Messi. He is far from being he greatest though, I think perhaps he needed more moments at club level.
Around the time when Zidane was playing, in my view, he never touched Rivaldo's Barcelona level, but his career, at least in the record books, is largely summarised by two headers and a magical swing of his left foot at Hampden.
In 2002, Ronaldo won the Balon D'or. He missed around 6 months of the season I believe, but returned to go to the World Cup, which his team won, and he got the Golden Boot, including scoring in the final. I believe Michel Ballack was second that year. His season involved dragging Bayer Leverkusen, who were fairly unfancied, to the CL final, which they lost to Real Madrid, and then dragging Germany to the World Cup final, although he was suspended for the match itself.
The record books don't recognise his season, which was amongst the best midfield seasons I've seen. The key, crowning moments were missing.
Griezmann has had a similar year. Ronaldo will probably win the Balon D'or this year. He won the CL and Euros. Griezmann came within a whisker of winning both. However, his penalty hit the bar in Lisbon, and he missed a sitter in Paris. Had those moments been different, the story could be very different.
I don't really care for the 'greatest' player. What I do know is that I have very little doubt that Lionel Messi is the best.
Obviously he has had to work hard but let's be honest he hasn't worked anywhere near as much as Ronaldo.
I know it's been answered a hundred times in this thread already, but what does GOAT stand for?
Great Oval Ass Titts
Greatest of All Time
Greatest of all time
Yeah I'd be confused too given there can be only one - yet we apparently have several and each generation has their own.
So... if Messi had been injured during the warmup before each of Argentina's last CA and WC finals and they would have gone on to win them, would the Ronaldo fans then hail him as the undisputed GOAT? Is that the logic we're using now? I thought a players individual performances would be the thing to look at here but apparently that's irrelevant when arguing about individual abilities..
To each their own and all that, but I can't for the life of me understand how anyone who have seen these guys play over the last 5-6 years can think that Ronaldo is the better player.
He's one of the greatest finishers/end product players ever, but Messi scores for fun as well, and more often all by himself. + he's much better at pretty much everything else except heading away defensive corners. He's so much more involved in the game, he's a part of every step in the build up process, he's a finisher, set up guy, solo runs etcetc.
Ronaldo is there to finish what his team mates have started.
No contest whatsoever for me.
To each their own and all that, but I can't for the life of me understand how anyone who have seen these guys play over the last 5-6 years can think that Ronaldo is the better player.
He's one of the greatest finishers/end product players ever, but Messi scores for fun as well, and more often all by himself. + he's much better at pretty much everything else except heading away defensive corners. He's so much more involved in the game, he's a part of every step in the build up process, he's a finisher, set up guy, solo runs etcetc.
Ronaldo is there to finish what his team mates have started.
No contest whatsoever for me.